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by TessJ10 on 25 March 2010 - 15:03

What do you mean "push it back"?  I'm talking about gently pulling it down, gently stretching the spermatic cord to bring the testicle outside the body cavity.  Can you get it outside the body at all?

If you can get it outside the body, 2x a day to do this is not enough. 

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 25 March 2010 - 15:03

GSDDoggiemom,

TessJ10 I can actually feel the "lost" testicle.. I can move it also.. It moves fairy easy.. I am trying to push it back

That is probably not the testicle that you are feeling.  If it is front of the scrotum it is more than likely something else. 

Check again or ask your vet,

Jim

by hodie on 25 March 2010 - 15:03

If you can feel the second testicle, take the dog to your vet. Ask him/her whether they know how to tack the testicle down outside the ring so it stays down while the ring closes. If he/she does not know how to do this, then ask whether he/she can recommend a urology specialist to do it. If you can get this down and tacked in place while the ring closes, you may well end up with a dog with two testicles, but it is not without some risk. Just massaging it down now and then is unlikely to work permanently.

AKGeorgias mom

by AKGeorgias mom on 25 March 2010 - 16:03

I'm going to try to not overshare...
My son has multiple hormonal problems, and his testicles do not remain down in the scrotum where they should be.  The endocrinologist said that this can present multiple problems, including increased cancer risk, and he is going to have to have surgery to tack them down.  The body does not respond will to having organs in places other than where nature intended them to be. 

Please take your puppy to the vet regardless of your intent to breed.  Others with far more experience than I do with raising dogs for breeding have indicated that this is significant.

Opal

GSDoogieMom10

by GSDoogieMom10 on 25 March 2010 - 16:03

I do plan on bringin him to a vet.. I been making phone calls all morning..

by TessJ10 on 25 March 2010 - 16:03

"Just massaging it down now and then is unlikely to work permanently."

Not "now & then," but repeatedly I've known to be very successful, although with puppies much younger than 6 months, and personally, for me only, if this could be fixed manually I'm ok with it, but not ok for a surgical repair, but again, that's me.  I don't get bent out of shape if someone else does it.

Also agree that if the end result is a retained testicle, it needs to be surgically removed - don't leave it in there. 


Silbersee

by Silbersee on 25 March 2010 - 17:03

nonacona,
that is not correct, the statement that littermates have the same genes. They do not.
If it was that easy, we could all predict very well what we breed for and what not. And eliminating everything from the genepool because the sibling had such a condition would leave you with nothing very fast.
Every dog (and humans too) inherited one gene from each parents which match up to form part of the DNA (the famous ladder). It is a roll of dice which of the genes are passed on. Some are good and some are defective, or will only be defective if found by an identical bad one from the other parents, to put it in laymen terms.


by TessJ10 on 25 March 2010 - 18:03

This also explains why it's not unusual to have a fabulous dog/bitch who never produces as good as itself, but it's his/her brother/sister who, although not as great as the fabulous one, ends up producing much better offspring.

Silbersee

by Silbersee on 25 March 2010 - 20:03

Exactly, Tess. There are lots of examples in the GSDWorld for that. One that comes to mind is Palme Wildsteiger Land. Her sister Perle was the Siegerin and top show dog, but Palme is forever memorialized in her offspring.
BTW, about the cryptorchism: Werner Dalm, when he was judging years ago in Upstate New York and I was translating for him in the ring, told me about a study done in the GDR (East Germany) about the incidence of inherited cryptorchism. And it was found out that it is passed on easily. As a matter of fact late bloomers (males whose testicles came down later or with a bit of help, i.e. pulling down and tacking in place as described above) have a very high incidence of passing this problem on to their male offspring. I forgot what the percentage was but it was very high. So, this kind of help does not help our breed, especially knowingly using males with these deficits. 

by hodie on 25 March 2010 - 20:03

 Chris,

I agree about it not helping the breed, just as taping weak ears up, or breeding females who eat their young etc.





 


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