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by VomRuiz on 22 March 2010 - 09:03
Tuff,
You are absolutely right. It IS my bread and butter.... However I fail to see the irony... I guess you missed that I said I would LOSE money by having the customer come in more often to keep the dog COMFORTABLE and well maintained. And make my job a lot easier at the same time
Hell yes, I am going to COMPLAIN when I see a dog that is neglected. And trust me, I would rather make my $20 than the $35 I made shaving that matted dog.
Had I accidentally cut him, nicked him or given him razor burn, guess what? I don't get paid ANYTHING. And then I get to have a meeting with the managers to see what I could have done more carefully. So me taking a dog in that condition was a risk, but I have some compassion and wanted to help the dog feel better.
Let me ask you have you ever shaved a mat off of a dog's testicle? One that was as big as the testicle itself, with the dog snarling, barking, struggling and trying to bite you?...Oh and you can't muzzle it either... If I get bitten badly enough, Well...there goes my bread & butter....
So you think for a lousy $15 I didn't or wouldn't at least try to get the owner to come in more often?...Come on now.
Recommending short haired breeds to people is something that sounds a lot easier than it is. Especially if they have had the dog for a long time.
It's a lot easier (and better for my business) to try to help people with the dogs they do have... By explaining the harm severe matting can do the the dog physically and mentally, and gently try to get them to bring their dogs in more often even if it means losing a little bit of money by giving them a discounted rate...
Stacy
You are absolutely right. It IS my bread and butter.... However I fail to see the irony... I guess you missed that I said I would LOSE money by having the customer come in more often to keep the dog COMFORTABLE and well maintained. And make my job a lot easier at the same time
Hell yes, I am going to COMPLAIN when I see a dog that is neglected. And trust me, I would rather make my $20 than the $35 I made shaving that matted dog.
Had I accidentally cut him, nicked him or given him razor burn, guess what? I don't get paid ANYTHING. And then I get to have a meeting with the managers to see what I could have done more carefully. So me taking a dog in that condition was a risk, but I have some compassion and wanted to help the dog feel better.
Let me ask you have you ever shaved a mat off of a dog's testicle? One that was as big as the testicle itself, with the dog snarling, barking, struggling and trying to bite you?...Oh and you can't muzzle it either... If I get bitten badly enough, Well...there goes my bread & butter....
So you think for a lousy $15 I didn't or wouldn't at least try to get the owner to come in more often?...Come on now.
Recommending short haired breeds to people is something that sounds a lot easier than it is. Especially if they have had the dog for a long time.
It's a lot easier (and better for my business) to try to help people with the dogs they do have... By explaining the harm severe matting can do the the dog physically and mentally, and gently try to get them to bring their dogs in more often even if it means losing a little bit of money by giving them a discounted rate...
Stacy
by tuffscuffleK9 on 22 March 2010 - 13:03
Stacy,
After reading your reply - I apologize to you, as I only have one dog that I must clip.
He is our 115# Great Pyrenees (Snowball) - he is like wrestling a bear. But being his owner I can give him a sedative (sure beats a bite with 1.5" canines). Before you say I should not clip him, we live live in the deep south and the 100 degree days are really tough on him. And he has free run of the farm as a patrol dog. So, briers, brambles, cockle burs, and all that good stuff are a way of life. Making brushing a nightmare But he is HELL ON COYOTES.
I still favor short-haired breeds so when Snowball is dead and gone - In comes an Anatolian (no more bear wrestling, just brushing and regular grooming. And WATCH OUT COYOTES.
By the way, why can't you use at least a soft muzzle for your protection???? No muzzle sounds like a crazy rule even with a little Poodle.
Again, thank you for your work - especially the testicle work - OUCH!
After reading your reply - I apologize to you, as I only have one dog that I must clip.
He is our 115# Great Pyrenees (Snowball) - he is like wrestling a bear. But being his owner I can give him a sedative (sure beats a bite with 1.5" canines). Before you say I should not clip him, we live live in the deep south and the 100 degree days are really tough on him. And he has free run of the farm as a patrol dog. So, briers, brambles, cockle burs, and all that good stuff are a way of life. Making brushing a nightmare But he is HELL ON COYOTES.
I still favor short-haired breeds so when Snowball is dead and gone - In comes an Anatolian (no more bear wrestling, just brushing and regular grooming. And WATCH OUT COYOTES.
By the way, why can't you use at least a soft muzzle for your protection???? No muzzle sounds like a crazy rule even with a little Poodle.
Again, thank you for your work - especially the testicle work - OUCH!
by MBPlayer on 22 March 2010 - 19:03
I was going to give Vom Ruiz her "bad attention" but decided not to ...Her big bad husband may get mad
by VomRuiz on 22 March 2010 - 19:03
Thanks Tuff,
I'm sorry I got defensive...I have been reading all the nasty threads layely so felt attacked.
Whether I agree with you shaving your dog (as with other breeds) some people have valid reasons for shaving and I had a good laugh about you shaving Snowball... I once shaved down (not to the skin) my St. Bernard... I completely know what you mean about wrestling with a bear! Haha!
My husband favors short haired dogs too... He even thinks GSDs are "too hairy" :-)
To answer you question, the chain of store I work for only allows us to use a muzzle for 20 minutes and some of the dogs we can not muzzle at all (including mixes) are:
Chihuahuas
Pomeranians
Lhasas
Shih Tzus
Poodles (except Standard)
Mini Schnauzers
Pekes
Bichons
The list goes on. They also cannot be kennel dried, only hand dried. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. They say it is for safety of the dogs. We are allowed to use Elizabethan collars... And we cannot take a sedated dog...
Thanks again and sorry I got grouchy at you
Stacy
I'm sorry I got defensive...I have been reading all the nasty threads layely so felt attacked.
Whether I agree with you shaving your dog (as with other breeds) some people have valid reasons for shaving and I had a good laugh about you shaving Snowball... I once shaved down (not to the skin) my St. Bernard... I completely know what you mean about wrestling with a bear! Haha!
My husband favors short haired dogs too... He even thinks GSDs are "too hairy" :-)
To answer you question, the chain of store I work for only allows us to use a muzzle for 20 minutes and some of the dogs we can not muzzle at all (including mixes) are:
Chihuahuas
Pomeranians
Lhasas
Shih Tzus
Poodles (except Standard)
Mini Schnauzers
Pekes
Bichons
The list goes on. They also cannot be kennel dried, only hand dried. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. They say it is for safety of the dogs. We are allowed to use Elizabethan collars... And we cannot take a sedated dog...
Thanks again and sorry I got grouchy at you
Stacy
by tuffscuffleK9 on 22 March 2010 - 19:03
Stacy,
Good luck! There are some real biters in that bunch (no kidding!!!!)
Don't you just love the management, maybe they need a little testicle work!!!! LOL
Tuff
Good luck! There are some real biters in that bunch (no kidding!!!!)
Don't you just love the management, maybe they need a little testicle work!!!! LOL
Tuff
by mollyandjack on 22 March 2010 - 20:03
Jeez, you couldn't pay ME to wrestle with the dogs on that list unmuzzled...you're made of tougher stuff than me Stacy! Especially mini schauzers and bichons...what is it with those dogs?? Is it just the type of person that owns them (probably--to answer my own question)??
I have a collie and I know how quickly the matting starts...you really have to keep on top of it if you don't want to have to cut out chunks of hair (very carefully, too...). I usually end up doing that periodically...she doesn't look as nice when it happens. That said, I would NEVER EVER let it get past the point of a small clump. I do full coat examinations every few days past the brushover to check behind her ears and in folds of skin. Mats damage the skin and must hurt something awful. If you can't handle the grooming DON'T GET THE DOG. What's wrong with adopting a short-haired mix??
Just an example -- This is fully groomed:
Even in the above picture her ears still don't look the best because I think the week before I cut out small clumps behind them.
Here is one full day of running around outside...notice the coat beginning to "stick" together. ONE DAY. If people can't handle grooming this type of dog than I really wish they would look at another breed..they are too sensitive and trusting:
I have a collie and I know how quickly the matting starts...you really have to keep on top of it if you don't want to have to cut out chunks of hair (very carefully, too...). I usually end up doing that periodically...she doesn't look as nice when it happens. That said, I would NEVER EVER let it get past the point of a small clump. I do full coat examinations every few days past the brushover to check behind her ears and in folds of skin. Mats damage the skin and must hurt something awful. If you can't handle the grooming DON'T GET THE DOG. What's wrong with adopting a short-haired mix??
Just an example -- This is fully groomed:
Even in the above picture her ears still don't look the best because I think the week before I cut out small clumps behind them.
Here is one full day of running around outside...notice the coat beginning to "stick" together. ONE DAY. If people can't handle grooming this type of dog than I really wish they would look at another breed..they are too sensitive and trusting:
by CrysBuck25 on 22 March 2010 - 22:03
MollyandJack,
Your female looks a lot like the male I mentioned above...He was the same color and everything! He didn't look near as good as she does, though...His feet were almost six inches long from the nails deforming his toes, front and rear, his teeth were horrible and covered with thick layers of green and brown foul smelling stuff, and his coat...Well, when we adopted him from the shelter as a seven year old, never, ever maintained dog, we wondered why the in house vet hadn't done something with his teeth, his nails, and the huge mats...I guess they couldn't be bothered.
Grooming him was never my favorite job, and we didn't do it every single day after we got the huge mats off him, but we groomed him at least once a week, and he was as comfortable as we could make him for the rest of his life. He lost a number of teeth due to rot from the rotting plaque buildup...Don't know what they fed him, but it wasn't good for him!
Long coat dogs need maintenance...No two ways about it. If you're not going to bother, because it's a dog, then you shouldn't have it. Either used a comb, scissors, slicker, etc, and do it yourself, or cough up the money and get the dog to a groomer.
And what's the big deal with muzzles for grooming? If my dog is likely to bite, and I can't or won't do the grooming, you can bet I will authorize the use of a muzzle for the protection of the groomer. There is no reason to ask someone to provide a service at major risk to themselves.
As for some of those little dogs that are not to be muzzled at all, their owners need a good swift kick in the backside. If the little thing is so miserable that it can't stand to be touched, then they haven't done their job. If it's just a mean little spoiled dog that has no manners, then they haven't done their job, either.
Crys
Your female looks a lot like the male I mentioned above...He was the same color and everything! He didn't look near as good as she does, though...His feet were almost six inches long from the nails deforming his toes, front and rear, his teeth were horrible and covered with thick layers of green and brown foul smelling stuff, and his coat...Well, when we adopted him from the shelter as a seven year old, never, ever maintained dog, we wondered why the in house vet hadn't done something with his teeth, his nails, and the huge mats...I guess they couldn't be bothered.
Grooming him was never my favorite job, and we didn't do it every single day after we got the huge mats off him, but we groomed him at least once a week, and he was as comfortable as we could make him for the rest of his life. He lost a number of teeth due to rot from the rotting plaque buildup...Don't know what they fed him, but it wasn't good for him!
Long coat dogs need maintenance...No two ways about it. If you're not going to bother, because it's a dog, then you shouldn't have it. Either used a comb, scissors, slicker, etc, and do it yourself, or cough up the money and get the dog to a groomer.
And what's the big deal with muzzles for grooming? If my dog is likely to bite, and I can't or won't do the grooming, you can bet I will authorize the use of a muzzle for the protection of the groomer. There is no reason to ask someone to provide a service at major risk to themselves.
As for some of those little dogs that are not to be muzzled at all, their owners need a good swift kick in the backside. If the little thing is so miserable that it can't stand to be touched, then they haven't done their job. If it's just a mean little spoiled dog that has no manners, then they haven't done their job, either.
Crys
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