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by pod on 30 March 2010 - 14:03
The KC have now put the breed's list of colours on their website -
Black
Black & Gold
Black & Red
Black & Red Gold
Black & Silver
Black & Tan
Black Gold & Silver
Black Sable
Black Tan & Gold
Black Tan & Sable
Blue
Blue & Gold
Blue & Tan
Blue Sable
Dark Sable
Gold
Gold Sable
Grey
Grey Sable
Red Sable
Sable
Silver Sable
White
http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/breeds/colours.aspx?id=5106
It must be that no livers were registered in the timeframe that they allowed for allocating these.
I see they have included one that's incorrect. It's not possible to have black, tan and sable. Sable is an all over pattern that already includes tan and black pigments.
Black
Black & Gold
Black & Red
Black & Red Gold
Black & Silver
Black & Tan
Black Gold & Silver
Black Sable
Black Tan & Gold
Black Tan & Sable
Blue
Blue & Gold
Blue & Tan
Blue Sable
Dark Sable
Gold
Gold Sable
Grey
Grey Sable
Red Sable
Sable
Silver Sable
White
http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/breeds/colours.aspx?id=5106
It must be that no livers were registered in the timeframe that they allowed for allocating these.
I see they have included one that's incorrect. It's not possible to have black, tan and sable. Sable is an all over pattern that already includes tan and black pigments.
by Penny on 30 March 2010 - 14:03
O arent the Kennel Club just a joke when you look at that colour list. I didnt want to hae these two little brown ones, it has just happened that out they popped.... so I expected to be able to register them as they were normal little puppies as "Liver - Non-Standard Colour"
easy as that - til it came to the registration department.
I have told both owners that they are non standard colours, not that we want to breed from, and that they can never be bred from in their hands. That of course depends on how diligent I am. The first owner is a very good friend of mine, and just lost her old one from me age 13 - and is bomb-proof, wouldnt dream of having a litter or using him - she thinks we are all mad that breed, and she may be right. POerhaps I will have to think of letting them both go with no paperwork, but I just felt that they could be registered, it proves much more than colour, it proves parentage, and pureness of breed to the pet market.... but its no great hardship to let them both go without paperwork if the KC cant register them clearly as non-standard. Why on earth is Blue not a probem and Brown is........ just plain daft really, Mo.
easy as that - til it came to the registration department.
I have told both owners that they are non standard colours, not that we want to breed from, and that they can never be bred from in their hands. That of course depends on how diligent I am. The first owner is a very good friend of mine, and just lost her old one from me age 13 - and is bomb-proof, wouldnt dream of having a litter or using him - she thinks we are all mad that breed, and she may be right. POerhaps I will have to think of letting them both go with no paperwork, but I just felt that they could be registered, it proves much more than colour, it proves parentage, and pureness of breed to the pet market.... but its no great hardship to let them both go without paperwork if the KC cant register them clearly as non-standard. Why on earth is Blue not a probem and Brown is........ just plain daft really, Mo.
by Mystere on 30 March 2010 - 14:03
This is a very interesting topic and I look forward to reading intelligent discussion. I happen to have one of those patterned sables, btw.
Interesting screen name.
by beetree on 30 March 2010 - 15:03
The choice of OP name is inappropriate and against the TOS. 
The topic however is very interesting.
by noddi on 30 March 2010 - 15:03
hi Mo.maybe its because there are several kennels that breed specifically for blue/blue sables.i,ve never come across any breeder in the breed record supplements who breeds liver.maybe its a good thing if its not recognised as a color,as at least the kc wont be promoting them.Carole S.
by darylehret on 30 March 2010 - 16:03
Kitkat, would you describe what you consider the difference between sable and the wolf-agouti pattern?
by kitkat3478 on 30 March 2010 - 18:03
darylehret- to be perfectly honest with you, I don't know the difference.I've just spent hours researching the differences in sables. I know alot now about what genes carry and produce what colors, but I've been unable to distinguish the difference of agouti, even though I know that "there is a difference".
I like many others come here hoping to learn something. The piece of article I posted was NOT my words, they are from Fred Lanting.
I hope someone will post a pic or two of the different sables.I believe that I had my one females registered the wrong color years ago. I had her listed as a black and tan, but after learning more, I now believe she was a patterened sable.
I would hope this thread would pull up some more pics of patterened sables. I'm sure I am not the only one that has made that mistake.
I like many others come here hoping to learn something. The piece of article I posted was NOT my words, they are from Fred Lanting.
I hope someone will post a pic or two of the different sables.I believe that I had my one females registered the wrong color years ago. I had her listed as a black and tan, but after learning more, I now believe she was a patterened sable.
I would hope this thread would pull up some more pics of patterened sables. I'm sure I am not the only one that has made that mistake.
by Uber Land on 30 March 2010 - 21:03
this is a pattern sable pup, older he got, the more blk/tan he looked.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/601986.html
if a pup is brown with a black stripe down its back at birth its a sable. it doesn't matter what it looks like as an adult.
all sables are born brown with varying degree's of black covering. you can't confuse a sable puppy(even the darkest ones) with a blk/tan.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/601986.html
if a pup is brown with a black stripe down its back at birth its a sable. it doesn't matter what it looks like as an adult.
all sables are born brown with varying degree's of black covering. you can't confuse a sable puppy(even the darkest ones) with a blk/tan.
by Wildmoor on 30 March 2010 - 22:03
Hi Noddi there is a breeder in the UK that purposely breeds for liver and as imported them from the US for this purpose not sure what colour she registers them as!
Maybe she would like to take part in this research if she comes on here
www.genetics.unibe.ch/unibe/vetmed/genetic/content/e2353/e2694/e2699/files2700/2007May02_Instructions_e_eng.pdf
Maybe she would like to take part in this research if she comes on here
www.genetics.unibe.ch/unibe/vetmed/genetic/content/e2353/e2694/e2699/files2700/2007May02_Instructions_e_eng.pdf
by BlackthornGSD on 31 March 2010 - 00:03
In general, if you see an adult sable in person, it's pretty easy to tell it's sable. It can be more difficult in pictures. It would be a rather unusually colored dog that would be difficult to tell if it was sable in person.
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