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by crhuerta on 18 February 2010 - 00:02
#12 female did not have loose hocks, she did not walk on her hocks......they were sound looking, and her topline & pasterns stayed strong......these are the few things that I found appealing........so yes Gary,....I would agree over-all, that this "line up" was better than the many dogs of the past years.....
Even though I am not an American Shepherd fancier......I thought the representation was better! Best wishes!
Even though I am not an American Shepherd fancier......I thought the representation was better! Best wishes!
by Preston on 18 February 2010 - 03:02
These are your typical showring American Shepherd Dogs. This is the best they have for the all breed circuit and really typical of the type one usually sees in the in the AKC allbreed and AKC/GSDCA specialty showrings. If you like this type of shepherd fine, but they have some characteristics that take them far from the FCI/SV standard and typical SV showline type.
Compared to the FCI/SV standard and the typical SV showline GSD shown in zuchschau, several major deficiencies appear that are common to all, and these unfortunately have come to be preferred by the America Shepherd Dog breeder who competes inthe showring. (Just go to any GSDCA/WDA show which features SV registered GSDs and note the typical differences). I'll summarize them here:
Lack of sex type, weak male secondary sex characteristics including snipey heads. Close poor coats, lack of bone. Somewhat steep croups, lower thighs too long (as usual). Weak sagging backs that are way to long. Front scapula and upper arm too far forward, lack of adequate prosturnum. Upper arms steep but long, scapula too close to the horizontal. This allows fairly good reach but poor follow through. All the dogs were "strung up" on a short tight lead, masking many problems.
This is what the American showring folks like and so be it, that is their preference. It took many years of close selective breeding to end up here with this product which is really a cookie cutter type. There were many choices made as far as what the goals of the breeding were and they often were centered around sidegait, but actually a technically incorrect sidegait. They tend to lift and hold in front while being propelled by a hard driving rear which is inefficient--these ASDs tend to tire out quickly when run long & hard loose lead.
Here is an example of a perfectly constructed front with good prosturnum and perfect croup and proper proportions.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/395083.html
Here is an another example of a well respected German GSD that has proper front & rear, with great proportions and good prosturnum. Do you see any ASDs that looks like this in the AKC/GSDCA showring?
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/401432.html
Compared to the FCI/SV standard and the typical SV showline GSD shown in zuchschau, several major deficiencies appear that are common to all, and these unfortunately have come to be preferred by the America Shepherd Dog breeder who competes inthe showring. (Just go to any GSDCA/WDA show which features SV registered GSDs and note the typical differences). I'll summarize them here:
Lack of sex type, weak male secondary sex characteristics including snipey heads. Close poor coats, lack of bone. Somewhat steep croups, lower thighs too long (as usual). Weak sagging backs that are way to long. Front scapula and upper arm too far forward, lack of adequate prosturnum. Upper arms steep but long, scapula too close to the horizontal. This allows fairly good reach but poor follow through. All the dogs were "strung up" on a short tight lead, masking many problems.
This is what the American showring folks like and so be it, that is their preference. It took many years of close selective breeding to end up here with this product which is really a cookie cutter type. There were many choices made as far as what the goals of the breeding were and they often were centered around sidegait, but actually a technically incorrect sidegait. They tend to lift and hold in front while being propelled by a hard driving rear which is inefficient--these ASDs tend to tire out quickly when run long & hard loose lead.
Here is an example of a perfectly constructed front with good prosturnum and perfect croup and proper proportions.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/395083.html
Here is an another example of a well respected German GSD that has proper front & rear, with great proportions and good prosturnum. Do you see any ASDs that looks like this in the AKC/GSDCA showring?
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/401432.html
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