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Their television commercials are obscene,
and some of the personalities who participate in these ad's I believe are mislead.

The general public, 9 of 10 buy it without question.
Thats why the country is where it is today.

Money talks, common sense is in short supply.

Money?
You gotta wonder how much money these people really take in and where it goes.

FUBAR !!

Moons.

"yellowfail" - that's a pretty good one.

All of the extremist, animal activist organizations prey on the emotions of people to get their donations. Doesn't matter if what they are saying is untrue. Their mindless supporters aren't interested in researching the truth.

You see, it is not that those things happen that is so much their goal, Keith.  It's more about creating this emotional reaction that sets the person or persons targeted on the path to supporting the PETA philosophy...Start with emotion, then use it to your advantage.

Yes, there are a few places where such cruelty is practiced, at least with regard to slaughter houses, and there are "puppy mills" that house dogs in that fashion. But it is not quite as widespread as PETA and HSUS would have us believe, though there are animals being neglected and abused.  The issue is not whether the neglect exists...It's more about what they want done about it.

This obsession over elimination of domesticated animal species is somewhat misplaced, if you ask me.  There are milllions of humans suffering in this country, millions more elsewhere.  If the money being funneled into these loser lobbyist groups was instead put into helping people here in this country get on their feet, get jobs and housing, and get away from the streets, there would be more homes for pets, and there wouldn't be the problems there are now.  Or if the money donated to these groups was sent, instead, to local animal shelters and rescue groups, like the Montana and Virginia GSD Rescues, then the animals would benefit.  HSUS doesn't operate even one single shelter that I know of in the entire country, and PETA has only one that I know of, where they euthanize the majority of the animals that are brought in.  Why send money to a group that doesn't help animals at all?  Why not use it for SOMETHING beneficial?

There are a lot of opinions...You have the die hards that will always believe whatever those who pay the most into advertizing want them to believe, and then you have those of us who see right through it, with a strong measure of disgust.  Then there are those in the middle, who want to believe the fundamental "goodness" of the intentions of these people, and fall somewhere in the middle. 

There are animals suffering, that's a fact.  There is already a ton of money spent in laws to prevent this cruelty.  That's a fact.  There is a massive lack of enforcement of the existing laws.  That's a fact.  PETA and HSUS couldn't care less about the "welfare" of the animals.  That's a fact.

Terrorism in all its forms should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...Whether it's aimed at animals, or humans.  PETA, Greenpeace, ELF, HSUS, and others are examples of terrorist organizations.  There's no great point to pointing out to anyone just how all of this stuff ties together, but it does...

Crys

Like I said, somewhere in the middle is the truth.  Despite all of the money spent, the laws still do not adequately protect animals.  For example, this video: video.yahoo.com/watch/2303502/7242336 which isn't ancient, was taken at a nearby puppy mill a couple of years ago.  Their operation is legal.

That puppy mill's biggest customer is a small pet store chain nearby.  Here's their take on puppy mills: www.thepreciouspuppy.com/t-puppy_mills.aspx  Have you ever read such utter crap in your life?

Do I agree with some of the more outrageous claims and/or goals of the HSUS?  Of course not but it isn't all black and white...there are a million shades of gray in between.

And what's all the fuss about PETA...doesn't that stand for People Eating Tasty Animals?

Of course we want to protect animals.  Of course there can be improvement.  That has NOTHING to do with HSUS.  

Who doesn't want to stop puppy mills?  HSUS legislation will NOT stop puppy mills; it WILL prevent you from ever breeding a dog, and one day, if they get their way, it will prevent you from owning a dog.  What about "We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals" don't you understand?

HSUS uses real news items about bad conditions to solicit funds which they then use to pass anti-pet legislation.  There is NOTHING good about HSUS.

"HSUS legislation will NOT stop puppy mills; it WILL prevent you from ever breeding a dog, and one day, if they get their way, it will prevent you from owning a dog. What about "We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals" don't you understand?"

I worry about that ever occurring about as much as I worry about tidal waves in the midwest; ain't never gonna happen...ever...period, ergo, not something to even seriously consider.  After we eliminate the ideas that we can all agree no one will ever seriously even think of passing legislation for, we can discuss what's left and whether or not those things, issues about which they could potentially effect change, are valid.

You don't understand.  It HAS occurred.  There are communities now that have already passed MSN (Mandatory Spay Neuter), with no exceptions for police dogs, military dogs, anybody.   Therefore if you lived there, ANY dog you own must be neutered before sexual maturity.  

There are also communities that have passed laws severely limiting the number of dogs you may own, like you can have one.  Or maybe two.  With a permit that costs hundred of dollars a year to purchase.  And you have to allow AC to come on your property and inspect you whenever they feel like it.

How about the Louisville KY law that was applied by telling people they must have a Class A Kennel license (commercial breeders license, for those whose primary purpose is breeding/selling dogs) in order to sell any puppy, or even to give any puppy away.  There was an ordinance originally written making it MANDATORY that if you moved a dog, included taking it to a dog show, you had to file notice with the city that you were moving your dog - where, when, and why, when you were going, and when you'd be back.

So go ahead, "don't worry" about it, but thank your stars that other people ARE worrying about it and stopping these laws wherever they can.

I often wondered what would happen to one of those nuts if I meet them at say, Petco or a park and I tell my dog to pass auf! while he tries ,I guess to "kill it with kindness"...

then, after the jackass leaves, I let the kids watchng pet the dog...

I'd pay money to cross paths with these brainwashed, misguided and well,stupid nutballs in such a neutral grounds like a store or a park. Dogs and especially GSD are our friends, alarm systems, companions and members of the family. When PETA or anyone else in the world finds a better device than a trained dog's nose for sniffing out explosives, forexample, then we can retire them. Won't happen. Dog'snose has won moretimesthan we can count against any machine we've come up so far.

And,when they say "domesticated animals", they mainly mean dogs and cats,not cows or chickens. it is often funny to me what kinds of causescan some people rally against. There isn't time left in a day to work,have a family, work the dog,eat and sleepand I amexausted from just a "normal" life than to take some outrageous cause like this. These people have no life.

Almost all of the municipalities around here have already passed limits on the number of pets you may own....including fish, birds, cats, dogs, & livestock. The limit is three. And this is a largely agricultural area. Unless you have a kennel license, even on FARMS!  This HSUS promoted legislation! Now mandatory neutering is in the works. I have heard stories of dogs being seized, shot, etc., in front of weeping family members because they had too many pets & someone complained....& because the law says 3, if you admit to more than 3, even a goldfish, you are wrong, no innocent until proven guilty; & the dogs are punished. Yeah, sure, this is truly humane! And what must it teach about authority figures to the children who witnessed these actions? Many of our local authority figures are most interested in CONTROL, they have no morals or ethics....they only serve to promote their own agendas, not the will of the people. So, I feel the best thing that can be done around here is vote the perpetrators of these moronic laws out of office. Pennsylvanians, let Ed Rendell know about your concerns. He is supposedly a dog-lover. Send letters to our national VP...he owns GSDs. Let those in authority know that there are opposing & popular opinions. Let them hear very loudly that you are a dog lover & owner, & you will vote to protect your pets from the fanatic fringe! And vote with your wallets. Don't buy from companies that support these infringements on our freedoms, & support exterminating our animal family members! This stuff really, really annoys me. Another instance of little minds trying to impose their will on the majority, just to prove they can do it. Do these people care about animals....? I don't think so! No more [yellowFail] for me! jackie harris