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LAVK-9

by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 02:02

This is who I grew up watching.She was a great trainer and she is who I followed as a kid.training dogs.She was direct and to the point and she got the job done and the dogs loved her. It was the people that feared the tough ol woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lZnxrF694

Amazing woman!!


Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

"There got to be a big competition between the folks who trained like Ivan (motivational with corrections as needed) and the air fairy crew who believed in all positive all the time."

I had this same situation at a so-called humane society I volunteered at and was scorned by the purely positive reinforcement crowd every time I brought out a prong collar for a strong dog.  It must have sucked for them seeing how consisnent my team's results were.

LAVK-9

by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

Keith- I know what you mean.There is a trainer here in town that i met that trains soooo different and doesn't really get the best results and she was training for the humane society.Then i went there one time to help her and I had a prong.OMG the looks I got.I didn't care!! When I came back after a walk and the dog I had was the ONLY one heeling in the proper possition and all the others were still jerking the crap out of the dogs...they shut up.As I have said to them."It is nice that you love the dogs and care for them but you aren't  trainers, so let me do my job and you do yours"  They just don't get it that those dogs if trained just a little the right way will find homes much easier.

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

At least they didn't pull out their so-called "gentle" leaders.  Don't even get me started on that abomination.  

LAVK-9

by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

Yea my friend that is an animal chiropractor and vet loves those gentle leaders.Gives her good business when dogs have their neck out of alignment cause the pulling to the side all the time.lol

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

Whenever my 80 lb. male starts pulling on his flat collar, I blow the dust off his prong. One little gentle correction is all it takes, and he suddenly remembers his manners! And yes, the improvement does carry over when I put the flat collar back on....

As a friend of mine said, it's like power steering!

jc.carroll

by jc.carroll on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

Air fairly *lol* I love this term. I'm going to have to remember it.



In my observation and opinions, any trainer who swears that there is ONLY ONE correct method that ALWAYS WORKS to train a dog is blowing smoke. I have used everything from clicker to Koehler, and I've yet to find a method that works 100% of the time with 100% of dogs.

I always start with the least compulsitory method, because I strongly believe it;s better to match the intensity of the method with the temperament of the dog -- and better ot err on the side of gentleness while finding what turns a dog on -- but I think that sometimes the whole touchy feely gentle-types go a bit too far. Air fairies tend to mistake discipline with abuse... and it"s the poor dogs who get the short end as a results.

Motivation with correction is the most effective in my experience, albeit the level of correction must be matched to the dog; and in the case of a hard dog (which I prefer over a sensitive dog, but that's just me), the owner must be confident enough and calm enough to enforce a command with confidence, but not anger.

But unfortunately I think many owners are a tad lazy these days -- as evident with doggy weight-loss medication and gastric bypasses to treat obesity -- so I think breeds with a lot of gumption are often labled as problematic, when in actuality they're just being true to their nature.


LAVK-9

by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 03:02

Yes each dog learns differently as do people.I find it easier to train the dogs then the people though.lol I have a GSD that I took to find it a home cause the people didn't want him anymore.They didn't have time for him and they were moving to CA.Hmmm didn't know that CA doesn't allow GSDs.Anyway....he has lived his life of 2 years with NO socialization and never being in the house.I don't have a fenced in yard so he has to live in the house.He is a great dog considering his crappy up bringing that the people couldn't believe it.If people would only take the time and be responsible....they might realize a very nice dog.Too late now he is attached to me and hapy being here.


jc.carroll

by jc.carroll on 01 February 2010 - 04:02

LavK-9,

I can'd decide: Lucky dog, or lucky you ^_^

LAVK-9

by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 04:02

I think a little bit of both. He is such a good boy and loves the attention and seems to always be smiling.





 


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