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by Keith Grossman on 29 December 2009 - 18:12
"...remember that Wall came down 20 years ago--150 or so dog-years, or about 30 generations ago..."
You might want to check your math, Nia, unless those pups are all being bred at 6 months. My male who was born in 2003 was only 31 generations removed from SV1 Horand.
You might want to check your math, Nia, unless those pups are all being bred at 6 months. My male who was born in 2003 was only 31 generations removed from SV1 Horand.
by steve1 on 29 December 2009 - 18:12
Regardless of what lines you get It is whether the Mating Clicks is more to the point,
Personally i think most Belgian Dogs are of W. German origin But i also think that some of the Breeders over in Belgium have inproved them even more over the years, so now i would not bother to go outside Belgium for a Dog
My Thoughts on it
Steve1
Personally i think most Belgian Dogs are of W. German origin But i also think that some of the Breeders over in Belgium have inproved them even more over the years, so now i would not bother to go outside Belgium for a Dog
My Thoughts on it
Steve1
by give that dog a job on 29 December 2009 - 19:12
improved them in what ways?
How would you consider them different or improved upon than the west german lines, czech/ddr , slovakia, etc.....
And are these dogs you are speaking of sport or real dogs?
I am just asking for your perception.
How would you consider them different or improved upon than the west german lines, czech/ddr , slovakia, etc.....
And are these dogs you are speaking of sport or real dogs?
I am just asking for your perception.
by snajper69 on 29 December 2009 - 19:12
Good thread, and good discussion going on. I am with "give that dog a job" you need to know what is the purpose of the dog going to be, and how well the good traits prevail in future generation. There is no one line solution.
by Mystere on 29 December 2009 - 19:12
And now you know why I did not become a physicist!!! 
I "mingled" "dog-years" to human years mid-stream!
Wall down 20 years ago
20 human years = approx 150 in dog years
Then, I divided 150 years by 5 (arbitrary number) ) and came up with 30. Should have been 20 ( real years) divided by 2 (still reasonable breeding age) and arrived at 10 generations. My math stinks, but the point is the same--too much time since the Wall went down for there to really be "pure" DDR dogs around...unless someone is breeding them like the pitbull fighters, where one dog will show up 16 times in a five generation pedigree.
I "mingled" "dog-years" to human years mid-stream!
Wall down 20 years ago
20 human years = approx 150 in dog years
Then, I divided 150 years by 5 (arbitrary number) ) and came up with 30. Should have been 20 ( real years) divided by 2 (still reasonable breeding age) and arrived at 10 generations. My math stinks, but the point is the same--too much time since the Wall went down for there to really be "pure" DDR dogs around...unless someone is breeding them like the pitbull fighters, where one dog will show up 16 times in a five generation pedigree.
by Keith Grossman on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
"I 'mingled' 'dog-years' to human years mid-stream!"
Oh, I knew exactly how you came to that number and am still getting a chuckle out of it!
Even a generation every two years is ambitious if you really think about it. It's possible but assuming adherence to titling and breed survey requirements, everything would have to work out exactly perfectly, up to and including the bitch coming into heat at the right time in order for you to squeeze it in and for that to happen for ten successive generations is unlikely. Given the 31 generations I previously mentioned with the associated 104 years since the origin of the breed, the average generation can be stated at just under 3 1/2 years, which I think you'll find to be fairly accurate. It is likely that we're probably only looking at six generations since the wall fell...still enough for the lines to have been co-mingled...not that that is necessarily a bad thing.
Oh, I knew exactly how you came to that number and am still getting a chuckle out of it!
Even a generation every two years is ambitious if you really think about it. It's possible but assuming adherence to titling and breed survey requirements, everything would have to work out exactly perfectly, up to and including the bitch coming into heat at the right time in order for you to squeeze it in and for that to happen for ten successive generations is unlikely. Given the 31 generations I previously mentioned with the associated 104 years since the origin of the breed, the average generation can be stated at just under 3 1/2 years, which I think you'll find to be fairly accurate. It is likely that we're probably only looking at six generations since the wall fell...still enough for the lines to have been co-mingled...not that that is necessarily a bad thing.
by steve1 on 29 December 2009 - 21:12
What is your defintion of a real Dog
Steve1
Steve1
by give that dog a job on 29 December 2009 - 21:12
sport dogs vs real world working dogs is what I was refering to.
by troublelinx on 30 December 2009 - 04:12
I have heard from others that the DDR dogs tend to mature slower than West and Czech. Not sure how true this is . Each individual dog is different somtimes it is difficult to make broad generilaztions. But it looks like that was what you were asking for. So far I have only had West .
Sometimes IO think about possible getting a Czech but not fimilar with the lines, afraid to get a dud. The Czech I have seen did not impress me. I am sure that there are really great Czech dogs out there I just not seen them. I quess anything is betterthan a show dog nomatter where it came from.
Sometimes IO think about possible getting a Czech but not fimilar with the lines, afraid to get a dud. The Czech I have seen did not impress me. I am sure that there are really great Czech dogs out there I just not seen them. I quess anything is betterthan a show dog nomatter where it came from.
by GSDPACK on 30 December 2009 - 05:12
troublelinx
if you are on the Pacific West coast, come to see us. most of the dogs here are Czech and they do pretty nice job..
I figured that is time for you to see a nice, well trained Czech dog...
Pack
if you are on the Pacific West coast, come to see us. most of the dogs here are Czech and they do pretty nice job..
I figured that is time for you to see a nice, well trained Czech dog...
Pack
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