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by SitasMom on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
so to get back on topic
who, other then mking, weans their puppies onto a completely raw diet?
who feeds a completely raw diet to a dog with a weakened immune system?
these were the two instances in which the above article suggested feeding cooked or commercial...
what have your experiences been?
who, other then mking, weans their puppies onto a completely raw diet?
who feeds a completely raw diet to a dog with a weakened immune system?
these were the two instances in which the above article suggested feeding cooked or commercial...
what have your experiences been?
by Pharaoh on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
I have been feeding raw since 1998. Pharaoh ate raw mince from 8-11 weeks when he got his first piece of chicken on the bone. I don't criticize people who feed compressed dehydrated food. Lots of dogs do fine and thrive.
Michele
Michele
by michael49 on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
I have Dr. Sitasmom, why do you ask?
Shinier coats
Healthier skin
Cleaner teeth
Higher energy levels
Smaller stools
These are facts easily seen in a short period of time. Do this test and gain some real life knowledge.Give your dog a choice between the best kibble on the market and a well prepared meal of raw and see which one he prefers, surely he has sense enough to make the decision for himself. Feed raw for a week and see if you notice a difference in the stool. Feed it for a month and look at the teeth,coat and energy levels, do something worthwhile that you have experienced for yourself and then post about your results and thoughts on the matter. Raw meat properly handled and prepared poses no threat to humans, if it did butchers and processers of wild game would be long dead, We all have the same access to the internet that you have so copy and paste doesn't impress anyone. Not trying to be harsh to you, just some friendly advice.
ps feed a lactating bitch with 3 or 4 week old puppies raw and watch her return to the pups and regurgitate the meal for them to eat, ever seen that happen with kibble? I haven't
Michael
Shinier coats
Healthier skin
Cleaner teeth
Higher energy levels
Smaller stools
These are facts easily seen in a short period of time. Do this test and gain some real life knowledge.Give your dog a choice between the best kibble on the market and a well prepared meal of raw and see which one he prefers, surely he has sense enough to make the decision for himself. Feed raw for a week and see if you notice a difference in the stool. Feed it for a month and look at the teeth,coat and energy levels, do something worthwhile that you have experienced for yourself and then post about your results and thoughts on the matter. Raw meat properly handled and prepared poses no threat to humans, if it did butchers and processers of wild game would be long dead, We all have the same access to the internet that you have so copy and paste doesn't impress anyone. Not trying to be harsh to you, just some friendly advice.
ps feed a lactating bitch with 3 or 4 week old puppies raw and watch her return to the pups and regurgitate the meal for them to eat, ever seen that happen with kibble? I haven't
Michael
by abshgsd on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
My pup started eating raw chicken wings at 4 weeks. Puppies can definitely eat raw food. I've been lurking on this site for a long time and this has been discussed before. Just look at a dog fed raw vs a dog fed dry and the proof is right there. The raw fed dog always looks better and is much healthier. Michael and others gave good reasons.
Joe
Joe
by yellowrose of Texas on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
Mahon does..
and I do
I put mine in the blender and then give them a chicken neck and die laughing at the first introduction to WHAT IS THE WORLD IS RHIS...
I have never been sick and no pup or dog ever been sick over raw meat but I have had one big mess over Bags of Diamond and Sams Club mess...
YR
by mking on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
if you think all it takes to be a breeder is to buy a knocked up bitch, catch and sell a litter of puppies and have a website - well, what can I say - I'm disappointed in you!
Even I know it takes so much more!
**** Obviously I don't think thats all it takes to be a breeder, but apparently YOU do. You bought said pregnant bitch, whelped a litter and voila YOU have a website. Instant expert, right.You are the disapointment, your ridiculous, irrelevant, random medical trivia is obnoxious. Your replies to topics about training when you have never even titled a dog yourself are nothing less than laughable.Clearly you must have been feeling slighted since your buddy was getting all the attention. Seriously though, I deal with clueless jackasses like you on a daily basis, you know the ones who have no clue about breeding, genetic issue of their breed, training, what color their pups are, clueless about integrating a new dog, the list could go on for hours about your clueless lack of dog ownership knowledge. What was the reasoning behind you buying a pregnant bitch, oh yeah to have a litter? Hope you don't tie her to a 2X4 like your other dog, OH MY- YOU are the shining epitome of a fabulous, intelligent dog owner, right? Give me a break, I wouldn't buy a dog/puppy from you if you held the last GSD on earth.
who, other then mking, weans their puppies onto a completely raw diet?
who feeds a completely raw diet to a dog with a weakened immune system?
**Sitasmom- I did NOT say that I have weaned a litter of pups, ever!!!!!! The crap you read into things is astounding!
Plenty of people feed a raw diet to immune compromised dogs, what is the relevance???
PS- Michael she is not a DR. she just plays one on the messageboad! LOL
Even I know it takes so much more!
**** Obviously I don't think thats all it takes to be a breeder, but apparently YOU do. You bought said pregnant bitch, whelped a litter and voila YOU have a website. Instant expert, right.You are the disapointment, your ridiculous, irrelevant, random medical trivia is obnoxious. Your replies to topics about training when you have never even titled a dog yourself are nothing less than laughable.Clearly you must have been feeling slighted since your buddy was getting all the attention. Seriously though, I deal with clueless jackasses like you on a daily basis, you know the ones who have no clue about breeding, genetic issue of their breed, training, what color their pups are, clueless about integrating a new dog, the list could go on for hours about your clueless lack of dog ownership knowledge. What was the reasoning behind you buying a pregnant bitch, oh yeah to have a litter? Hope you don't tie her to a 2X4 like your other dog, OH MY- YOU are the shining epitome of a fabulous, intelligent dog owner, right? Give me a break, I wouldn't buy a dog/puppy from you if you held the last GSD on earth.
who, other then mking, weans their puppies onto a completely raw diet?
who feeds a completely raw diet to a dog with a weakened immune system?
**Sitasmom- I did NOT say that I have weaned a litter of pups, ever!!!!!! The crap you read into things is astounding!
Plenty of people feed a raw diet to immune compromised dogs, what is the relevance???
PS- Michael she is not a DR. she just plays one on the messageboad! LOL
by yellowrose of Texas on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
Dangers for feeding raw meat to any pup or german shepherd! you may lose a finger, or fingers, hand or part of hand, or leg or toes if dropped on floor too close to your foot if wearing flip flops...wear shoes preferably with enclosed toes... If pup or dog is not obedienced to sitz until food is handed...be ready with water, peroxide, and bandages..
Proceed with care: LOL
YR
by SitasMom on 19 December 2009 - 05:12
Michael
I've given my dogs raw several times, the last was while camping for a whole week they, gave them chicken leg quarters, and large chunks of meat with bone, loved it! they also squirted shit everywhere the whole time. I ended up going back to kibble 2 days before heading back and they cleared up. Once I tried to do this at home and ended up pulling all the carpet from my floors.........All I can say is that some dogs seem to do better then others on raw.
Pharaoh is beautiful.
I've given my dogs raw several times, the last was while camping for a whole week they, gave them chicken leg quarters, and large chunks of meat with bone, loved it! they also squirted shit everywhere the whole time. I ended up going back to kibble 2 days before heading back and they cleared up. Once I tried to do this at home and ended up pulling all the carpet from my floors.........All I can say is that some dogs seem to do better then others on raw.
Pharaoh is beautiful.
by mking on 19 December 2009 - 06:12
YR- That was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.
by mking on 19 December 2009 - 06:12
Almost forgot-
Osteochondritis Dissecans- You are somewhat correct, not quite that cut and dry though. The most common joint is it seen in is the shoulder(humeral head), the elbow, stfle(medial or lateral) and the hock. In layman's terms a small piece of cartilage thickens, it is fed by leaking synovial fluid and develpos into a round plaque. It may break loose and float around the joint. They can ossify and grow in size. It is believed to be hereditary. It can be surgically removed, but does not provide a good prognosis if presented in stifle, elbow, or hock.
Ununited Anconeal Process- Failure of the ossification of the anconeal process to fuse with the proximinal ulnar metaphysis. This is usually completed by 20 weeks of age, The failure to ossify makes the joint unstable. it is also believed to be hereditary. It can also be surgically removed, but almost always develops into osteoarthritis.
Eosinophilic Myositis- Acute, relapsing inflammation of the muscles. Not always in the jaw muscles. The jaw becomes fixed, and hangs open, the jaw muscles swell causing a lack of drainage from the retrobulbar tissues, which causes edema in the conjunctiva. The mouth is held partially open, causing significant pain and difficulty eating. The attacks can last for up to 3 weeks, and can recurr as often 3 weeks to 6 months later.The muscles continue to atrophy after each attack. It can involve the esophagus, making it difficult to swallow.There is no treatment, but using coticosteroids and ACTH can minimize the pain and swelling.
Osteochondritis Dissecans- You are somewhat correct, not quite that cut and dry though. The most common joint is it seen in is the shoulder(humeral head), the elbow, stfle(medial or lateral) and the hock. In layman's terms a small piece of cartilage thickens, it is fed by leaking synovial fluid and develpos into a round plaque. It may break loose and float around the joint. They can ossify and grow in size. It is believed to be hereditary. It can be surgically removed, but does not provide a good prognosis if presented in stifle, elbow, or hock.
Ununited Anconeal Process- Failure of the ossification of the anconeal process to fuse with the proximinal ulnar metaphysis. This is usually completed by 20 weeks of age, The failure to ossify makes the joint unstable. it is also believed to be hereditary. It can also be surgically removed, but almost always develops into osteoarthritis.
Eosinophilic Myositis- Acute, relapsing inflammation of the muscles. Not always in the jaw muscles. The jaw becomes fixed, and hangs open, the jaw muscles swell causing a lack of drainage from the retrobulbar tissues, which causes edema in the conjunctiva. The mouth is held partially open, causing significant pain and difficulty eating. The attacks can last for up to 3 weeks, and can recurr as often 3 weeks to 6 months later.The muscles continue to atrophy after each attack. It can involve the esophagus, making it difficult to swallow.There is no treatment, but using coticosteroids and ACTH can minimize the pain and swelling.
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