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by Vixen on 28 November 2009 - 15:11
Hello Vikram, This is a very sad situation and must be addressed. Your poor Labrador is shunned from his home. It will not be long before you are too!!!! Equally sad is that too much responsibility has been heaped (albeit unintended) on your GSD. Because you have not taken charge appropriately, your strong confident GSD has had no option but to take up a Leader position.
Are you in England? I ask because I run Classes based on the ability to learn about Pack Leadership, which is your dog's world.
You do need some GOOD and KNOWLEDGABLE Professional help in order to understand and overcome the situation you have at present. Are you able to get this?
Kind Regards,
Vixen
Are you in England? I ask because I run Classes based on the ability to learn about Pack Leadership, which is your dog's world.
You do need some GOOD and KNOWLEDGABLE Professional help in order to understand and overcome the situation you have at present. Are you able to get this?
Kind Regards,
Vixen
by Vikram on 28 November 2009 - 15:11
he is a very hard dog. And unfortunately I'm not a control freak !!!! I know its lack of authority on my part but I have done obedience with him. Yet it has no effect on him.
cheers
cheers
by Vixen on 28 November 2009 - 16:11
Vikram, I can understand that the situation must be upsetting for you to see, but you cannot 'cop out' by excusing yourself as "not being a control freak"!! (Strangely enough neither am I)! But I admire dogs to the degree that I want to understand their world, and reach them by entering their world, and not expecting them to humanise instead.
You say you have done obedience, but what you have probably done is teach your dog to perform certain exercises. You have 'exercises' but you do not have respect. Respect you have to EARN from your dog. You cannot beat or brow-beat him to achieve it. Besides you would end up in hospital!! They both need to recognise your competence to take charge. They are the experts you now have to convince them!
You are right it is a lack of authority, but far more than obedience exercises! You do need appropriate professional guidance for the sake of both dogs and yourself and any other family member. You have at present no Pack Harmony, and that is paramount to all dogs, and the right of dogs to expect it.
Vixen
You say you have done obedience, but what you have probably done is teach your dog to perform certain exercises. You have 'exercises' but you do not have respect. Respect you have to EARN from your dog. You cannot beat or brow-beat him to achieve it. Besides you would end up in hospital!! They both need to recognise your competence to take charge. They are the experts you now have to convince them!
You are right it is a lack of authority, but far more than obedience exercises! You do need appropriate professional guidance for the sake of both dogs and yourself and any other family member. You have at present no Pack Harmony, and that is paramount to all dogs, and the right of dogs to expect it.
Vixen
by LukasGS on 28 November 2009 - 16:11
Thank you, You're advise is very helpful, and I will work on it. But I feel a little insulted. I just had no idea how to apply it to help solve this problem. Other than this he is very obediant as far as sitting, stay, down and following. In any case. What do you think it could be, if it is just when we walk outside?
I believe they are both fairly dominant though neither have hurt each other and I dont think they mean to.
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 28 November 2009 - 17:11
What should you do? Easy.
Buy Max Tiekerhook for about 50 grand and he will chase away both dogs out. Then, in nature, while roamingthe countryside, they will bond together...
I've seen in many times and the proof is jst like in the movie "Homeward Bound" where Michael J.Fox kicked some butt.
Buy Max Tiekerhook for about 50 grand and he will chase away both dogs out. Then, in nature, while roamingthe countryside, they will bond together...
I've seen in many times and the proof is jst like in the movie "Homeward Bound" where Michael J.Fox kicked some butt.
by Slamdunc on 28 November 2009 - 23:11
Vikram,
Can you please post a link to your dog's pedigree, I'd love to see it.
Jim
Can you please post a link to your dog's pedigree, I'd love to see it.
Jim
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 November 2009 - 23:11
Adi:
You are correct....KICK SOME BUTT....sorry guys but I learned from a very tough trainer and I have Tiekerhook , Greif and Fri guggi grandkids and I had to learn...
When I went to Florida last year , I also watched videos and say how to run 20 males and females together.....
do not cop out well it is only when we go outside....yeah.....Where do you think your dog gets excited at....OUTSIDE
Inside dwelling calms down dogs usually....but regardless...two males together is DOUBLE DUTY...it can work....How about running 5 males together....but you have to induce the DISCIPLINE
Throw away the word OBEDIENCE now the word is DISCIPLINE YOU must now use. In no way , do you need to be cruel...not suggesting that...now after you get tough and your dog looks at you and growls because you waited till NOW to discipline HIM>>>>then kick butt...on the spot. Tie one dog to a post on porch or tree nearby...take the other dog and walk the leashed dog past your dog on tree...if the dog on tree growls or show any attention to the one your walking....take action..immediately....three times command no fourth. Same with the leashed dog, if any growl or attention to dog on leash tied to post...or tree....take immediate control with command of use...then repeat until either dog or both dogs, exhanging places every day...are able to no show any kind of aggression and be civil...then when in each others company, if either dog growls you immediately take the extreme measure of DISCIPLINE.
Never allow any dog to growl or start a conflict..Your DISCIPLINE has to be in a form of making the dog know you mean it not just a command or a light touch of a collar... KICK BUTT....is correct language...
YR
2nd Option:::::: Call GENE ENGLAND and pay him for a 6 months worth of how to control your gsd..
You are correct....KICK SOME BUTT....sorry guys but I learned from a very tough trainer and I have Tiekerhook , Greif and Fri guggi grandkids and I had to learn...
When I went to Florida last year , I also watched videos and say how to run 20 males and females together.....
do not cop out well it is only when we go outside....yeah.....Where do you think your dog gets excited at....OUTSIDE
Inside dwelling calms down dogs usually....but regardless...two males together is DOUBLE DUTY...it can work....How about running 5 males together....but you have to induce the DISCIPLINE
Throw away the word OBEDIENCE now the word is DISCIPLINE YOU must now use. In no way , do you need to be cruel...not suggesting that...now after you get tough and your dog looks at you and growls because you waited till NOW to discipline HIM>>>>then kick butt...on the spot. Tie one dog to a post on porch or tree nearby...take the other dog and walk the leashed dog past your dog on tree...if the dog on tree growls or show any attention to the one your walking....take action..immediately....three times command no fourth. Same with the leashed dog, if any growl or attention to dog on leash tied to post...or tree....take immediate control with command of use...then repeat until either dog or both dogs, exhanging places every day...are able to no show any kind of aggression and be civil...then when in each others company, if either dog growls you immediately take the extreme measure of DISCIPLINE.
If you need further instruction of How to discipline..pm Vixen...lol
Never allow any dog to growl or start a conflict..Your DISCIPLINE has to be in a form of making the dog know you mean it not just a command or a light touch of a collar... KICK BUTT....is correct language...
YR
2nd Option:::::: Call GENE ENGLAND and pay him for a 6 months worth of how to control your gsd..
by Held on 30 November 2009 - 19:11
Vikram ,
personally i do not think you have a tough dog,but you do have a weak handler.You should call one and only Ceaser Milan. Have a nice one.
personally i do not think you have a tough dog,but you do have a weak handler.You should call one and only Ceaser Milan. Have a nice one.
by snajper69 on 30 November 2009 - 21:11
LoL why people always make excuses for their own dogs? Stop making excuse and start working the dog, they do it because you allow it. Life for a dog needs to be white and black no grays. You put grays in and you will crate issues, some smaller some larger.
You have multiply dogs you triple these issues because once you just don't have to pay attention to your mistakes and your dogs action but now to a pack order.
My favorite is my dog knows how to platz, stays and all the rest b/s thats fine but they only as good as a situation permits. So in order to get the dog in check you need to reinforce your obedience in these stressfully situation. The bottom line is neither of you two have any control over your dog, and that's the problem, is not the dog is you the handler, you not just week handler, you multiply your weakness as a handler by making excuses for the dogs rather than coming up with a solution. Your dogs life revolves around you if you still didn't get to that point go back to basis, and forget about everything else, if your dog focus on you and looks up to you to be his leader, he will not engaged in other activities, like challenging the other pack member, is up to you as a handler to step in and take the situation under control.
By the way your dog is very dominant, most people that say that don't really have dominant dog, but are week hendlers, if your dog would be really dominant you would be more worried about him going after you than after your lab.
You have multiply dogs you triple these issues because once you just don't have to pay attention to your mistakes and your dogs action but now to a pack order.
My favorite is my dog knows how to platz, stays and all the rest b/s thats fine but they only as good as a situation permits. So in order to get the dog in check you need to reinforce your obedience in these stressfully situation. The bottom line is neither of you two have any control over your dog, and that's the problem, is not the dog is you the handler, you not just week handler, you multiply your weakness as a handler by making excuses for the dogs rather than coming up with a solution. Your dogs life revolves around you if you still didn't get to that point go back to basis, and forget about everything else, if your dog focus on you and looks up to you to be his leader, he will not engaged in other activities, like challenging the other pack member, is up to you as a handler to step in and take the situation under control.
By the way your dog is very dominant, most people that say that don't really have dominant dog, but are week hendlers, if your dog would be really dominant you would be more worried about him going after you than after your lab.
by Vikram on 01 December 2009 - 00:12
I have a 9 inch gash on my stomach. He has gone after me too....
regards
regards
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