*AKC show SV* - Page 2

My Question is not for AKC registered GSD's that have German parents.  My question is for American bred showlines that have no German Blood and no Schutzhund titles

It doesn't matter.......they are all still born here in the USA.
The SV rules apply to ALL GSDs, being shown in Germany.
FCI recognized registry & working titles and korrungs for the "working class" dogs.

If you are talking about the American German Shepherd, I don't think it is possible to show them in the German SV conformation ring because these dogs would be considered dogs without papers because their parents have neither working titles, show conformaiton titles, hip/elbow/dna certification.  In Germany a dog that is bred out of  even one parent dog that does not have the minimum requirements does not receive "pink papers".  In other words, they are as good as a mixed breed, in the eyes of the SV.  That means no papers for a pure bred GSD.  Here in the US we see so often advertisements that market the German Dog but in actual fact the parent dogs do not comply with the German SV standard.  It is duping the public.  The pedigree is broken and these dogs can go nowhere and nowhere in the breed.  They might have the working ability of a BSP dog and the conformation of a VA dog, but it is a dead end.  There is no one other than perhaps Helen Gleason that might put such effort in getting an American line dog in the SV showring.  This she did with mixed bloodline and the dog got titled, breed surveyed and received a V conformation rating.  But could he be shown in Germany?  At a National show in the USA?  I think not.  And anyone interested to show in such a venue should realize that the pedigree has a fault on the sire side.  The best Sire in the world with this pedigree will never be awarded a VA because of the broken pedigree.

Judges do look at pedigrees/titles/hips/elbows/hdzw too.

Sunshine,
They can still be shown...even without lineage of titles.
They will not be placed anywhere you might want them....but they can still be shown.
As for the working class.....the dog themselves must have a title & korrung to receive a "rating".
To receive a higher "rating" the dog, grandparents & great grand parents must have all of the above.
But your dog can show in a German Conformation show in Germany, and receive a rating, even if the lineage are not all titled dogs......
My question would have to be....why would you WANT to travel to Germany, spend all that money & put forth the effort, if your dog is not titled?
Robin

Sunshine, your first sentence is incorrect. As Robin said, if the dogs themselves,  have the necessary credentials they can be shown in a SV conformation event. Parents status will not stop them from being shown!

GSD Man- the AKC is the recognized registry in the United States by the FCI. This means yes, a dog with AKC registration, be that dog American show type, German show type, German working type, or a run of the mill $300 newspaper GSD CAN ENTER in SV style events if they are registered with the AKC. In the US, if the dog is not SchH titled, you could enter in the adult untitled class for a maximum of an SG rating. To compete in the working class, the dog must be titled.  Robin is correct, why even keep asking. It's a fact. And sunshine, no one is saying such a dog would excel in a field of German dogs..only that it is permitted.

It is permitted but it is also a dead end.  It will go nowhere.  The break in the pedigree is there.  No matter what one does.  No matter how good the dogs are.  For the future, the dogs are a dead end.

It is permitted and I have seen it.  Dog was a Uecker son, I think, at the NASS.

"It is permitted but it is also a dead end. It will go nowhere. The break in the pedigree is there. No matter what one does. No matter how good the dogs are. For the future, the dogs are a dead end."

Sunshine-

Darlin, please corect yourself and stop trying to be an expert in a subject you know nothing about.

Many lines have dogs here and there mising korung, show ratings, working titles and so on. Some pedigrees futher back then others.

This every single dog in the pedigree has all that and a bag of chips is a new concept, good intentions, but does not always work out that way.

Besides, even if the best dogs in the world were American bred entries, parents, grandparents and so one had everything for 10 generations, they would never be allowed to VA1 in the "German" national sieger show. American bred dogs have to be 10 times better then the dogs they place in the shows with in Germany for the same show rating.

There have been American and other countries dogs entered thou, that did not meet your "self imposed" standard who have V rated in the "German" national sieger show.

It's the prettier the pedigree, working or show, the more people willing to, fork over the dough!

Your "dead" dogs or "blank spots" in the pedigree take their toll on the demand, thats all.

Great producers regardless of pedigree "quirks" get bred. Just "American" bred quirky dogs are not allowed or afforded the same opportunities at excelling as "German" and other European ones are.