backyard breeders??? - Page 2

No one attacks people who just have a few litters as long as they do justice to the breeding Raise ,train,title,health checks and breed there own dogs... Except a few here that can,t read or comprehend common sense.

I believe the founder of the breed was looking for breeders who take there time and can understand what there doing and where it has came from and has a vision of where it is going. He wantted working dogs bred,built and used for working "the beauty is in the utility of the dog" not these heavy headed low butt dragging or dumbed down bred dogs that are to only be couch potato,s or run around the ring with people tooting air horns and yelling the dogs name. This is a working dog bred to work and breeders and prospective owners need to understand that.

Basically stupid people should not breed.

Basically stupid people should not breed.
I must agree whole heartedly, we have enough stupid people already......:)
And their stupid dogs....

Not that much has changed?
I disagree, everything has changed across the board from A to Z and then some.

Sitasmom, I have to disagree with you that the accepted "definition" of a BYB and a small breeder are the same.

I've been showing dogs for a lot of years and the term BYB has always been used to describe people who manage to breed for most or all the wrong reasons.

I know excellent breeders who breed 1 or 2 litters a year and spare no expense in the pursuit of their goal.

I think most people with an average I.Q. and any amount of knowledge can distinguish between people who know what they are doing and the ones who really don't give a **** about the dogs or what happens to them.

Rik

I hate generalized labels for one thing or another.
The word chosen never really describes the issue.
BYB just doesn't properly describe what some people do in my opinion.

Raise a pup in the house,allowed to be a part of the family , bonded  and allowed to be a pack member of his pack completely,participating in the daily activities of his pack without exception, taught the rules of the pack by which he must live. He knows his place in the pack and is confident, content and secure.Raise a pup in a kennel,with limited participation in the pack as a whole and it will be very ovious to you which pup is the more rounded, confident,happy pup.
Transfer that to a fully matured dog or bitch raised the two ways described and you'll see the same difference in them.
 If you want to see a pup that is really screwed up start with a pup raised in the first manner with full pack membership and then isolate him from his pack by placing him in a kennel with limited pack membership.Easy to see how this pup becomes insecure and confused,an out cast of the pack in his mind.
 
A dog raised in the first example will be known to the breeder,without exception,good and bad traits as exposed along the road to maturity.Worked from pup to mautrity in the venue of the breeder to determine his working qualities.Health will be known to the breeder , although underlying health problems are always a possibility.Keep pups along the way to see what progress your making as they mature,I think not to a point where you loose the advantage of being this type breeder.A back yard breeder in the general sense could be any breeder,small or large.It truly is about loving, living with,and knowing your dogs ,above titles,bloodlines,or dollars.JMHO

i think some folks equate back yard breeders with puppy mills.  not necessarily the same thing and byb's are not neccessarily a bad thing.  most folks who only have just a few dogs and breed seldom really do fall into the byb catagory, but choose to refer to themselves as a kennel (by name) so they don't have to deal with any kind of stigma.  lots of critics in the dog world.  :(
pjp

My point is made above.

Bob,First off I want to say, I respect your opinion ,no doubt shared by some.As I told you in another thread we shared our views in,I'm not a breeder per say having bred a total of 12 pups in 50 years of owing the breed.You stated 3 litters in 14 years,so I wouldn't call you an expert on the subject either,although you seem to think otherwise.I raised pups one at a time in the three manners I stated,and in my opinion the proof was in the pudding for me.I don't claim to have a vast knowledge of gsd's only what I have learned from my own experience.Although they are dogs, and not humans they do have a few if not many human traits.They're quite capable of showing love,loyalty,jealousy,fear,joy,depression,excitement,to name a few.In my OPINION raising them as family members or pack members gives you the oportunity to watch the traits develope and to know the dog completely.Maybe I'm not expressing my self in a clear manner,but its the best I can do.It is also MY OPINION that alot of this is missed or partially missed in a kennel raised puppy.We have already established we bred these pups for completely different purposes,so naturally we would go about in a different manner.To each his own.I will correct the statement I made in my earlier post,I should have said, Dependent on what your breeding for titles and bloodlines don't mean anything unless you truly know the dogs that you are breeding,pedigrees are a good tool to work with,but in the end puppies aren't made of paper. AGAIN BOB THIS IS JUST MY OPINION NO MORE NO LESS

BACKYARD BREEDERS ARE AMERICAN AS MOMS APPLE PIE. WE ARE THE BACKBONE OF AMERICAN K-9 ISM. DINKIES PUPS ALL GO TO FINE HOMES BECAUSE TO ENSURE THIS I CHARGE BETWEEN $35 TO $75. WORKING MANS PRICE FOR A FINE PRODUCT. YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND MY ADS ON CRAIGSLIST WITH A SMALL REHOMING FEE.

"Yes, a lot of breeders and dog populators (puppy mills and backyard breeders) calculate like that. 

I just found out that I too am considered a backyard breeder, as a registered user in a different thread defined a BYB as someone who only breeds a couple of litters a year. I could not stop laughing and almosted posted a comment but then decided that it was not worth it."

Case in point......