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by olskoolgsds on 03 September 2009 - 05:09
P.S. If you research these dog/wolf breeds you will come up with many supporting them but keep in mind that #1. they are selling puppies and #2, they have been doing this for some time and are at least attempting to breed with a positive outcome and goal. In the states we are talking about accidental or at best morons that think it is so cool. I am not trying to be Mr. Nasty here, I am just wanting you to have a heads up.
by Tharina on 03 September 2009 - 11:09
Dear all
My oldest name is Ursula, I have written about her before in Oakleys thread as Ursula has become blind with age.
Anyway, Ursula is a hybrid and the best, most loyal and courages dog I think any person has ever had the previlage of living with, as she is not owned in that sense, if you know what I mean.
I consider her a GSD as her dominant characteristics are GSD, but even though she is now 12 years old, I still always keep a watchfull eye. I have found that with our pure GSD's they will stalk and attack, that will then turn into play, but with her we could not do this as her instinct to kill after the attack is much to strong. She was trained and I had her since she was 8 weeks old, but that instinct is just something that can not be taken away. She tolerates youngh children, but I do not allow them to play with her. Also, she attacks whenever someone is running away from her and I believe that she sees small children as easy pray. When a new family member are introduced, it takes a bit longer with her, but as soon as she is okay with them she nurse them like her own and is very protective towards them. To gove you an idea, my mother wanted to pick up my kitten of then 3months and she was "nursing" him, she growled at my mother and showed teeth, even though she has stayed there many times and are otherwise very fond of them. She was fine when I picked him up, again, wolf behaviour as she sees me as the Alpha.
There has been a few other instances in the family where she was perfectly fine with a family member and then they just did something that ticked her off and she will become very aggressive and dominant with them. When I was still living with my parents she would even challenge my dad and if I were not there, one never knows what could have happened, but luckily it did not.
I love her to bits and will not ever regret one moment with her, she is my baby and a HUGE part of my life, my best friend!!! BUT as I am thinking of having kids of my own, I decided not to have a hybrid again until the kids will be old enough to undestand how to work with him/her. She can't be tought that her hunting and killing instinct is wrong and we must understand that. So anyone thinking of getting a hybrid, please please think this through very carefully as they are not 100% tame. They can be temperamental and in the end obey only ONE pack leader, thus your family might be at risk. If you have small children I will strongly advise you not to get a hybrid. If you still think this is what you want to do, go visit a sanctuary with hybrids and first work with them, maybe see if you can rather adopt even. Remember, it is not their fault that they will react diferent to certain situations than your GSD, cause at the end of the day, they are NOT a GSD and they do have that wild instinct that can be very dangerous.
Like I say, Ursula is my best friend, my companion, BUT I knew what to expect and how to handle her and also I was prepared in the sense of enough running space, exercise, time spend, training and all the other extras. The love I have shared with her is much more rewarding than can ever be told, but I always keep in the back of my head that even though I think of her as a GSD, she is not, she has something wild and untamed in her. Oneday when my children are big enough or out of the house, I will again get a hybrid...
Kind regards
Tharina
My oldest name is Ursula, I have written about her before in Oakleys thread as Ursula has become blind with age.
Anyway, Ursula is a hybrid and the best, most loyal and courages dog I think any person has ever had the previlage of living with, as she is not owned in that sense, if you know what I mean.
I consider her a GSD as her dominant characteristics are GSD, but even though she is now 12 years old, I still always keep a watchfull eye. I have found that with our pure GSD's they will stalk and attack, that will then turn into play, but with her we could not do this as her instinct to kill after the attack is much to strong. She was trained and I had her since she was 8 weeks old, but that instinct is just something that can not be taken away. She tolerates youngh children, but I do not allow them to play with her. Also, she attacks whenever someone is running away from her and I believe that she sees small children as easy pray. When a new family member are introduced, it takes a bit longer with her, but as soon as she is okay with them she nurse them like her own and is very protective towards them. To gove you an idea, my mother wanted to pick up my kitten of then 3months and she was "nursing" him, she growled at my mother and showed teeth, even though she has stayed there many times and are otherwise very fond of them. She was fine when I picked him up, again, wolf behaviour as she sees me as the Alpha.
There has been a few other instances in the family where she was perfectly fine with a family member and then they just did something that ticked her off and she will become very aggressive and dominant with them. When I was still living with my parents she would even challenge my dad and if I were not there, one never knows what could have happened, but luckily it did not.
I love her to bits and will not ever regret one moment with her, she is my baby and a HUGE part of my life, my best friend!!! BUT as I am thinking of having kids of my own, I decided not to have a hybrid again until the kids will be old enough to undestand how to work with him/her. She can't be tought that her hunting and killing instinct is wrong and we must understand that. So anyone thinking of getting a hybrid, please please think this through very carefully as they are not 100% tame. They can be temperamental and in the end obey only ONE pack leader, thus your family might be at risk. If you have small children I will strongly advise you not to get a hybrid. If you still think this is what you want to do, go visit a sanctuary with hybrids and first work with them, maybe see if you can rather adopt even. Remember, it is not their fault that they will react diferent to certain situations than your GSD, cause at the end of the day, they are NOT a GSD and they do have that wild instinct that can be very dangerous.
Like I say, Ursula is my best friend, my companion, BUT I knew what to expect and how to handle her and also I was prepared in the sense of enough running space, exercise, time spend, training and all the other extras. The love I have shared with her is much more rewarding than can ever be told, but I always keep in the back of my head that even though I think of her as a GSD, she is not, she has something wild and untamed in her. Oneday when my children are big enough or out of the house, I will again get a hybrid...
Kind regards
Tharina
by rainforestscouts on 03 September 2009 - 12:09
by Prager on 03 September 2009 - 15:09
Czechoslovakian wolfdog is now stabilized and has relatively mild temperament. I have seen and imported few. Normally I am GSD man but someone asked me. I did go and look at them on shows in Czech rep and they were low key well behaved dogs. I want to stress that these are not crosses between wolf and GSD. That is how they st rated many tens of generations ago. Now they are FCI registered breed. I can not recommend straight cross between wolf and dog since there is no way to tell what you get. More dog or more wolf. And it is unlikely that you want more wolf. They are NOT(!!!!) dogs if they are more wolf. Czechoslovakian or Slovak wolf are different. Contact me if you are interested I would be happy to give you some guidance.
Prager(Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com
P.S. PLEASE CHECK MY ENTRY ABOVE.
Prager(Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com
P.S. PLEASE CHECK MY ENTRY ABOVE.
by Sunsilver on 03 September 2009 - 17:09
My former neighbour's brother used to have an Italian wolf. The wolf was trained for SAR, and had several finds to his credit. These animals are, I believe, extinct in their native habitat, so he had to have a special permit from the government.
One day, he was walking the wolf, and an off leash dog came running towards them. The wolf's instinct was to run away, so his owner let him hide in some bushes. The dog kept coming after him. Again, the primal fight or flight instinct kicked in. He grabbed the dog by the throat and killed it.
Nope, not the sort of animal you'd want as a pet...
One day, he was walking the wolf, and an off leash dog came running towards them. The wolf's instinct was to run away, so his owner let him hide in some bushes. The dog kept coming after him. Again, the primal fight or flight instinct kicked in. He grabbed the dog by the throat and killed it.
Nope, not the sort of animal you'd want as a pet...
by MVF on 03 September 2009 - 22:09
Sunsilver: you have just described many of the people on this pdb. ;-(
by MVF on 03 September 2009 - 22:09
Prager: the Czech wolfdogs look fantastic.
Are they solid in obedience?
Are they solid in obedience?
by GSDPACK on 03 September 2009 - 23:09
MVF
I am not Hans.. I had couple of those guys.
Not great, they do need a bit different aproach. They are not GSDs.
"Slower" .......I would call them. They are slower to mature mentaly. They are pretty independent and kinda distracted. They are great with their family, aloof and alert with the strangers. They lack the prey and have more defence. Nice dogs.. I imported coulpe of them few years ago. The people wanted to geh hybrids and I recomended those guys.. They love the temperament, look and trainability with no unpredictable behavior that is usually in Hybrids.
They are called Czechoslovakian wolfdog.. or CsV, CV abriviations, justlike GSD.
I am not Hans.. I had couple of those guys.
Not great, they do need a bit different aproach. They are not GSDs.
"Slower" .......I would call them. They are slower to mature mentaly. They are pretty independent and kinda distracted. They are great with their family, aloof and alert with the strangers. They lack the prey and have more defence. Nice dogs.. I imported coulpe of them few years ago. The people wanted to geh hybrids and I recomended those guys.. They love the temperament, look and trainability with no unpredictable behavior that is usually in Hybrids.
They are called Czechoslovakian wolfdog.. or CsV, CV abriviations, justlike GSD.
by Prager on 04 September 2009 - 22:09
I have not much to ad to that what GSDPACK said. He perfectly describes these dogs.
About 10 years ago there was only one SchH1 CV. I have been at the trial where it happened. There was great celebration. Lots of beer:). This would be a dog for someone who likes wolf like look of a wolf x GSD cross but does not want the instability. Some of the CV are very unfriendly to strangers. But I believe they could be socialized out of it. Generally they are very nice.
CV was developed by the Czech border patrol mainly by Karel Hartl and Jiri Novotny in order to improve on durability and endurance, and hips of GSD. That did happened, but the Cvs did not have the consistency of a GSD. Some of them were great workers and some of them were not. That was in the early days. Now the CV is pretty stable. They have run test where they let the dog run next to a car for 40 km. Dog had 0 problem to do that . Than they stopped and were going to put the dog into a car. However dog CV have seen a rabbit and gave it a chase and caught it!
CV was developed in Czech part of Czechoslovakia. After the country split into Czech and Slovak Slovaks were quick and officially registered the breed with FCI as Slovak Wolfdog. But the origin is Czech.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
About 10 years ago there was only one SchH1 CV. I have been at the trial where it happened. There was great celebration. Lots of beer:). This would be a dog for someone who likes wolf like look of a wolf x GSD cross but does not want the instability. Some of the CV are very unfriendly to strangers. But I believe they could be socialized out of it. Generally they are very nice.
CV was developed by the Czech border patrol mainly by Karel Hartl and Jiri Novotny in order to improve on durability and endurance, and hips of GSD. That did happened, but the Cvs did not have the consistency of a GSD. Some of them were great workers and some of them were not. That was in the early days. Now the CV is pretty stable. They have run test where they let the dog run next to a car for 40 km. Dog had 0 problem to do that . Than they stopped and were going to put the dog into a car. However dog CV have seen a rabbit and gave it a chase and caught it!
CV was developed in Czech part of Czechoslovakia. After the country split into Czech and Slovak Slovaks were quick and officially registered the breed with FCI as Slovak Wolfdog. But the origin is Czech.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by GSDPACK on 04 September 2009 - 22:09
Prager... did they really? Registration is CsV, Ceskoslovensky Vlciak.. maybe I am wrong.
Did Slovakia really take the credit? LOL that makes me laugh. Well developed in Czech, finished in SLovakia.. Ceskoslovensky Vlciak..that is!
Did Slovakia really take the credit? LOL that makes me laugh. Well developed in Czech, finished in SLovakia.. Ceskoslovensky Vlciak..that is!
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