Dog Fights? - Page 2

If you can remember in a pack there is a breeding dominate pair, and that a female may kill puppies who are not hers,as well as put another lower female in its place when she is in heat. Its just putting the strongest genes up front,so the pack can survive . Just because we put dogs in domestic homes doesnt take the nature out of them. I think more so with lg working dogs. Im sorry for your issue but it is not unusual and will not stop ,its just when it will happen, and your sick dog may trigger it when it is least able to defend its self. My girl is almost 4 , she on several occasions has come across old or disabled people and scents theyare off,  she is not highly aggressive for a gsd but goes low and stops them if they come near.So I have to watch for people who might trigger her. Its all just part of the good and bad of a gsd bitch. A dominate bitch is just that a good mom, mate and protector .As it should be.

females at my house NEVER interact with each other.   i know who gets along and who doesn't; male/male and female/male, but i never allow the girls any contact.  ever.
pjp

What most of you don't understand is that when you separate dogs after a fight it only intensifies that desire to fight or kill. I know many don't care for Cesar Millan on here, but when rehabilitating dogs with severe dog agression.....after the fight he put two of the dogs back in the same kennel with each other.  Though it's best to remember most can't do all of the things he does, so it's best not to try them anyway.  And with the type of work a lot of us do with the GSD's it's just not likely to have them around each other without a fight anyway.

Cesar Millan ?
No don't care for him at all.
 

Rocky mud has a bitch in heat and another dog in poor health sharing the same space, both female.  

This is a bit more complex than dog aggression.   And its in the home which amplifies the situation.

Your not going to solve this with training or Cesar Millan.   This will not just go away, separation will be needed.

This is just the nature of this situation.

 

Moons.

RockyMud,

I  have had  severe issues with two females in my house. I still had my 6 year old female GSD  ( had since pup) and 7 year old male GSD ( had since pup) Then I rescued my Border Collie  at 2 years old  that I have now who will be 9 soon. 

The  female GSD had to co-exist with my Border Collie and I was always in charge but whenever  the BC wanted to play or run or chase anything my female GSD would chase her down and stop her from moving or playing.
There were three serious fights in all the years they lived together -all initiated by the female  GSD !  

Both dogs  were spayed .We always had to pull the GSD off her if she got to her.  We never separated them after either because once my Collie stopped moving she would calm down - she was intense-had no interaction nor did she want any with my Collie. WE went hiking and tracking with all the dogs-it was always fast movements in my case.

The Collie was smart enough to avoid her at all costs. Totally submissive when she had to be which is probably why they were able to co-exist for so many years-aside from the fact that I was  always watching for body language and signs 24/7. Not fun!
 But whenever the opportunity arose she would chase her and grab her-we had to watch 24/7 and I would NOT do it again!  It  happened  when my Collie was running or playing  in the water mainly-   never food issues and  they would lay down together  and eat bones - the three dogs all within feet of each other -in a circle and did this nightly.  They even all ate within feet of each other- sounds like prey drive in my situation-never again though!
 
Won't go through that again!! Sorry you are having problems,

 Good luck with them!!
Katrina

GSDguy, are you talking about the episode with the Austrian lady and the three GSD's? It is interesting to note that the woman said something like, "All these friends and other GSD people always tell me you can't have these dogs together without fighting". Well, it turns out she could if she learned to do the right things and be respected as their pack leader. 

beetree that wasn't the one I was referring to, though I do like Cesar and he could probably get most any dogs to co-exsist with each other, but I'm referring to the "dualing Pitt Bulls"    The dogs were doing fine until the owner came back to the center....which is usually when another fight breaks out...and of course it did, after breaking up the fight he put two who were fighing in the kennel together.  I've also seen first hand dogs who fought before, who when separated it got 10 times worse to the point of just the sight of that other dog and they were ready to kill. Before the separation it wasn't near that bad.  And moons, there was also an episiode that Cesar had a bitch in heat at the center without fights...don't know the extent of it all, but thats one part of the post I didn't read.

Thank you to everyone!

We have them apart since yesterday. Both dogs are doing great. Zoey, our lab mix, has not had seizures since Sadie moved in. I see that as an excellent thing. =)

Any ways, Sadie is coming out of heat now and things have calm down a bit. It must be because they are not around each other without a fence between them. I did some research, called the vet and called some trainers. We have a trainer coming out on Monday. The vet said it is just natural for a female in heat to want to protect and defend herself in heat. He also said that because Sadie was in heat, and Zoey has seizures that when Zoey smells different (the on set of a seizure, I guess?) is when Sadie feels more like she has to protect herself and her body.

Well, if they cannot live together then one will have to go. No fights. I am tried of them. I can see that I am not the only one in this boat though.

Thanks for everything,
RockyMud

NO you are not the only one in the boat. I have a family I am going to throw away. In a emergency situation, my daughter and her other 1/2 and female Gsd had to move in for 90 days. I told them, everyone, to keep my bitch and her bitch seperate> oh no, Mom you worry to much they get along fine. Well I was home alone and had to break up the fight and got bit, me and the dogs all trip to hosp.  Now they get it, no 2 bitches lose in the same house. It also changed my bitch, she was very tolerant prior to the fight, now forget it, if anything gives her a sidways glance, she is not taking it. So I have been doing alot of work on her. Then I was not home had one male crated and another lose. My Mother shows up lets out the young one with his hormones raging.. She begins to play and gets him and my older rott worked up. The young one has this personality of "checking out" when he is pissed, the only thing in his mind is a fight, it is like knock knock, no one is at home and it takes him awhile to come out of it. I have to pick the s.o.b. up by the scruff of his neck and toss him to safety. So they get int it, My Mother uses her FOOT to try and split them, the rottie is mad that the GSD is bitting my MOM, and the only one in this show with any common sense was the rott, he seperated the gsd and my mom, led him to the crate and Mom slammed the door shut. I swear I If they are not your dogs, leave them the heck alone! Both dogs had puncture wounds, nothing to write home about, antibiotics and keep clean. Mom had her ankle tore up. Personally, I was very suprised the rott did not tear the heck out of the pup. I have never had a dog with such a cool head about him and thinks his way thru in stickey situations. The pup is as sweet as can be, loves people and will play with other dogs, he is just coming into his own and wants to tell the rott, I am boss. The rott just ignores him and I watch for any situation that may  "ramp" them up and split them before hand.