stringing dog up - Page 2

Ronpace,

You should explain to us how you would handle a fearful dog in detail.

As could you slamdunc.

We are talking about a fearful, aggresive dog are we not?      Or am I not getting it?

Maybe the topic would be better served in a new thread.

 

Moons.

Me...I would shoot a fearful dog in the head (PC version PTS), end of story! You can't train fear out and you can't afford a dog who is a fear biter. It is good for nothing (breeding, pet, work, guard dog) except lawsuits.

The free exchange of information on this site is exceptional, having said that I some times wonder(and worry) on a thread like this how many arm chair dog trainers at home will read this and say " hey my dog growled and I think it was at me so I,ll string him up till he doesnt growl any more like they said on the PDB" We all know there have  been times that we have had to do things correction or reprcussion wise on our dogs that people out side the  realm of handlers would find how should I say "over the top" that were perfectly warranted but to the uninformed would be labeled abuse. We just need to remind folks that for some people who work with preformance dogs what we find necessary they may have a hard time understanding and the need for good explainations are very warranted.   

4pack, that is a little harsh.  Not all dogs are meant to compete or be bred.  Some are just meant to be happy pets.   Many sharp/shy or fear aggressive dogs can be rehabilitated.  It's a small percentage that are so far gone that they can't.  It takes a lot of work, dedication and time but is very rewarding.  Fear aggressive dogs need to learn self confidence and that aggression will not solve their problems.  It takes socialization and motivational obedience training and consistency.  The dog also needs to know that inappropriate aggression will not be tolerated.  For most dogs the owner is the problem and unintentionally fuels the aggressiveness.  

Years ago when I lived on Long Island I worked with a couple with a very aggressive GSD.  His aggression was so bad they were afraid to have people over or take the dog out of the house.  After a few weeks we were able to take the dog on the platform of the Long Island Rail Road (commuter trains from NY) at 6 pm as hundreds of passengers unloaded the trains.  Before this the dog would nail any stranger near him.  It was a combination of socializing, firm rules and lots of obedience training.  It was more about training the owners to handle the dog and building the dog up.

You can not change the nature of the dog, but you can modify it's behavior.   So many of these cases are not hopeless animals, the owners just have no clue.

FWIW,

Jim

Jim, if it were my dog it would be dead. But I know how I handle and raise my dogs, nothing that could be labled a handler error, should one be a fear biter. I have never had such a dog though, so what does that say? Fear biters don't make "pets" not safe ones anyway and I'm not into training people, just dogs. You can't MAKE people learn, they have to want it.

Jim:

          I believe that more then not dog problems are created not inherated , I agree more often then not the hard part is teaching the owner.

Thats much better......
I think all three of you have good points.
I don't think ron plans on coming back , we'll see.

A fearful dog can be helped but sometimes not, a lot depends on how or why it got that way in the first place.

Not a job for amatures and definately a concern for pet owners who own such an animal.

 

There is sadly no cure for people..... be they parents or pet owners some folks are just not capable.
such is life.

Who in the hell is Chet Womach?
Ya gotta read that ad.