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by cowboy134 on 28 February 2009 - 04:02
I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
I have mine to pertect me and my family
I have mine to pertect me and my family
by SitasMom on 28 February 2009 - 04:02
I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
I have mine to pertect me and my family
Good one...........God only knows what those 12 would decide.
I have mine to pertect me and my family
Good one...........God only knows what those 12 would decide.
by Vikram on 28 February 2009 - 04:02
snapper agreed, The dog gave up the pack to make human his alhpa and now all human mistakes are causing the K9 accidents. If the PPD is offensive what you are looking at is the total human control. We may disagree on this. I feel a PPD has to have the self discrimantory choice of evaluating a real threat versus a static for joy attack of his handler.
cheers & regards
PPD cannot be offensive.
cheers & regards
PPD cannot be offensive.

by jletcher18 on 28 February 2009 - 05:02
vikram,
could you please explain why you think ppd is not offensive?
john
could you please explain why you think ppd is not offensive?
john
by macawpower58 on 28 February 2009 - 07:02
I would think a tremendous amount would depend on the dog. How many dogs have enough stability to discern a real attack from one that is not, and have enough self control to only bite when it is needed.
I'm assuming a PPD is one that will defend you whether you command it to or not, if he thinks you are being attacked.
I'm assuming a PPD is one that will defend you whether you command it to or not, if he thinks you are being attacked.
by Vikram on 28 February 2009 - 07:02
Exactly the point I want to make . Stability and clear thinking on the part of the dog. There are 2 points here. One in my view there are service ( army/police PPD) and PPD for homes. I think the candidates for 2 are 180 degrees apart. For service yes you can have an offensive PPD but for home NO. Second Point, offensive nature creates an element of unstability. An offensive PPD could not live with children as PPD at homes.
cheers & regards
cheers & regards

by jletcher18 on 28 February 2009 - 08:02
interesting. so how does a person tell the difference if their dog is on the ofense or defensive side? i would like to get the input of others to help educate more people here.
i agree about offensive dogs having an element of unstability, i have one. he is the type of dog that i always have to keep an eye on.
john
i agree about offensive dogs having an element of unstability, i have one. he is the type of dog that i always have to keep an eye on.
john
by Bancroft on 28 February 2009 - 09:02
A good PPD is hard to find.

by jc.carroll on 28 February 2009 - 13:02
The PPDs I've seen are reactionary, I guess you would consider that defense-reacting, but the threshold triggers to put the dog into defense mode vary on what the owner and trainer did in their program. Some dogs only react on verbal command, others are trained to engage as soon as another person makes a threatening motion or action towards the handler/owner.
I don't think they can be offensive, they need something to trigger their reaction. Offensive dogs would be something like a food-aggressive dog taking it on himself to bite anyone who gets near his dish at chow-time, regardless of provokation or not.
"Asset or Liability?"
It's just like owning a gun.
In the hands of a WELL-EDUCATED and SAFETY CONSCIOUS owner who actually understands what a PPD is -- and what it isn't! -- a PPD is an asset.
In the hands of an idiot who thinks that having an "attack dog" would be "kewl" and keep his property safe... and doesn't actually stop to consider that a dog is a living, thinking creature, not an guard-robot, nor does he take into consideration the rammifications of owning a dog trained to "attack"... that's when you wind up with tragedies.
I don't think they can be offensive, they need something to trigger their reaction. Offensive dogs would be something like a food-aggressive dog taking it on himself to bite anyone who gets near his dish at chow-time, regardless of provokation or not.
"Asset or Liability?"
It's just like owning a gun.
In the hands of a WELL-EDUCATED and SAFETY CONSCIOUS owner who actually understands what a PPD is -- and what it isn't! -- a PPD is an asset.
In the hands of an idiot who thinks that having an "attack dog" would be "kewl" and keep his property safe... and doesn't actually stop to consider that a dog is a living, thinking creature, not an guard-robot, nor does he take into consideration the rammifications of owning a dog trained to "attack"... that's when you wind up with tragedies.

by aristianM on 28 February 2009 - 14:02
Fixed Asset.
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