Bite power and head size - Page 2

hey 4pack,
I watched the video and agree with some of the coments on the validity of these tests.  As I mentioned in my last post, the dogs need to be worked to the point that you are getting the hardest bite capable of each dog.  However, for those that do not  believe head size, especially width has a profound effect on the bite power needs to do as I suggested, taking some bites with sleeves that you can feel the full force of the bite.  I put little value in these back yard scientific tests.  Way too many variables to weigh in to the results, however, I know what my arm feels, and if you were to take 10 Rotts and Ten GSDs ans ten Mals, blindfolded, I will tell you which breed it is most every time.  This assumes of course that each dog is a good example of the breed, has proper bite work training and have the same motivation in biting.  I would add pits except they are too close to a good male gsd to tell if there is no way I can feel the wieght of the dog or any other cues.   The pits - gsd comparison is harder to determine, again, because of the inconsistant size of pits heads.

These are not hard tests to do.  You will have little trouble seeing firsthand the results.

 Quote: Ever since a device such as this was devised to measure punching power, in the late 70's, I am very skeptical of their validity. The device had Welter Wt. Carlos Palomino punching harder that Hvy Wt. Champ Larry Holmes.

Formula is speed times mass = power. 

Carlos was probably faster, so that is what is they are measuring.  I personally would not want to be hit by either of these men during their prime. : )

The bio mechanics involved with head size are pretty much the dumbest fucking thing to argue about on the planet.

The intensity of the dogs need to crush things is what you need to measure. Only in a perfect world where you could get the most intensity out of each dog would this be a legit test.

The rest of it is pointless. Who cares how big your dogs head is if I crack him in the face with a stick and he turns and leaves me be.

I refer this to the N00B effect. They always want to know how tall my dogs are and how much they weigh. I couldn't tell you, because I just do not care. It is irrelevant to me.

Of course a bigger head equals potentially more power in the bite. Whether a dog utlilises his full potential is then down to training.

 Quote: Of course a bigger head equals potentially more power in the bite. Whether a dog utlilises his full potential is then down to training.

So it is just training then, nothing to do with the intensity of the dog in your opinion ??

Alright I have to ask.....Why are you worried about having a dog that bites as hard as it possibly can? I know Im going to regret asking. 

It cant be measured accurately and it really has nothing to do with anything except .....nope nothing at all.   

No matter what ladies usually say, size matters...
And its usually its too big !!
Just kidding.
Muscle mass alone doesn't determine hard bites.   Conditioning and determination might have more to do with it in my opinion.
But still a large head, larger jaws, more muscle do matter.

One thing I'm sure of, a wild animal bites harder than a domestic animal.  Its a matter of survival.  Determination.

 

Yes of course grip technique, intensity, fight, minset, ability to withstand pressure and so forth are important.

To analyze bite pressure, at least at the anatomical level, animals with larger bite-pressure have a greater sagital crest (a ridge of bone along the top of the skull) to serve as an anchor for the jaw muscles.

Jaw muscles, like any other muscle, can be developed by conditioning, but the limiting factor is the skeletal features underneath.

Humans have no sagital crest worth speaking of because we do not have the need for massive jaw strength. That being said, the amount of individual variation of bite pressure (even within humans) is amazing.

Just for comparison:

Pitbull Skull
 

Doberman Skull



Rottweiler Skull



German Shepherd Skull

And, finally, a Hyaena -- an animal known for having pound-for-pound the most intense bite pressue of any species

Hyaena Skull

 

Very cool JC. Those of you who want to whine about the thread, it's hardly as lame as 99% of the rest of the shit on this board. No one dare argue drives or temperaments that exibit harder bites? Size really isn't the issue, we all know there are big dogs that are missing somethig and don't bite to their potential. What is it?

A reason.