New Protection Dog Training Message Board - Page 2

4pack:

           I bow to the expert...

Bob I'm no expert but I certainly don't beat my dog or know anyone who does. Sorry you can't take a "jab" to Sch that I didn't even notice and probably isn't even there (only in your mind). I thought the original post was very well written. As was written your view of PPD is "twisted" all to evident by your ignorant comment about beating dogs.

 

"It’s not so hard to tie a dog to a tree and beat it with a pole to make it aggressive. to each his own." - lol Do you really think of PPD training in this category? lol My dog was never tied to a pole, she has a sweet nature on top of being trained in PPD, love to be rubbed on a belly but if you not part of the pack you better back off. 

SCH is a routine, dog is expected to perform according to judge’s expectation (it's not an easy routine because you aim for perfection, and I have respect for every one who is in SCH because it takes a lot of effort and time to reach the ultimate goal of SCHIII).
PPD is getting ready your dog for the real life, scenario changes all the time, dog is taught to think on his own, while still being under control of his handler. You don't aim for flashy obedience but good obedience. Your dog will actually get challenged during a routine (real hits, with stick, hose, even patio furniture, it will be expected to deal with all the obstacles that it might face in real life), your dog will be expected to engaged on a static decoy, but at all the time it has to be responsive to it's handler, it will be taught to engage on his own when a decoy engages his handler. If you think is as easy as tying dog to a pole, please prove it.

Weather is SCH, PPD or any other discipline it will have it's pros and cons, no discipline is perfect, rather than dissing one over another why not learn from each other?

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Hey i,m all up for someone coming in and saving 'hey this is what we do come check it out" but the whole original disertation smacks of "jab" why does there need to ba a "jab".

4pack: you should be well vearsed in ignorance obviously you live it. 

There was no jab you moron, you took something out of context and see it as such. Go choke on a twinkie.

 Quote:  The dilution and consequent misunderstanding of protection training due the various dog sports is another factor responsible for our small numbers. People who would otherwise be an asset to a protection program are drawn to other venues such as Schutzhund clubs where their perception of working protection dog training is twisted.



 This is such a lovely way to begin fostering interest in your sport with those already engaged in a different sport.   Good Luck and Best Wishes in your endeavors.


Quote:  Liability is yet another thing that complicates matters for us. Protection Dog Training Club's position on liability is that we believe in controlled dogs. Controlled due to inherent stability and obedience training and/or controlled by limiting public access to the dog. The rest we don't give a shit about. The dog throughout history has been a guardian of family and property and we're not going to succumb to cultural pressures advocating that all dogs must be animated stuffed toys.


The laissez-faire attitude inherent in this statement truly frightens me.  Are you aware that in some states, a dog protecting you and your property, even from a potentially felonious assault has NO defense to a dangerous dog charge?  In fact, could end up with YOU being charged with a felony?   Ignorance is certainly bliss.   I leave Mr. Murray to his opinion, and will not waste my time.    You are going to really need those good wishes...

4pack--please call me, if you are operating under Mr. Murray's "don't give a shit" misapprehension. You, I am concerned for; him I leave to his beliefs.

Liability is something we all as dog owners need to address and deal with ourselves. I worry about my liabilities, you should worry about yours, it does me no good to have a heart attack worrying about every Tom, Dick and Harry. Every dog is different and I'm not willing to say a Sch dog is any more reliable in public than a PPD. Too much depends on the dog, the training on the dog and the handler. Some dogs are not dogs you want to take out in public but we all know those types of dogs exist in sport as well. Not every dog can be petted by the public, people with those types of dogs should know how to handle them and know to keep the public safe. Not my cup of tea or the types of dogs I have personally but some like them or and have a need for that.

Personal Protection is not a sport Nia, it's a lifestyle and yes I would have to agree that the number of people training for just PP is far less than the smallest sport venue.

Well Gee Mystere, I would have PM'd you back but you have blocked me for some strange reason.