OT: Are we witness to a new species? - Page 2

4pack, not everything about not killing wildlife wantonly has  to do with PETA. And you are correct, killing ten coyotes can produce 100 more, if you don't do it with care, as I've alluded before, there is a right and wrong way to do that. I am absolutely NOT about not managing troublesome wildlife, I am absolutely just NOT into wholesale slaughter. I am into healthy ECO systems in which top predators are key. God knows there are plenty enough deer chewing up the expensive landscaping around here! I could have posted the sterile DNA statistics from a Massachusetts study, and will if you want but this article contained some history that I thought was pertinent.

2Moons, all my hoses have been chewed up, go git your own. 

Sunsilver, it is distressing for someone who appreciates different species, no matter what! Yes, red wolves, and maned wolves have repopulation programs that are negated with their wanton killing. Hard to reintroduce wildlife when the high powered rifle crews descend.

Davren, what is wrong with shooting coyotes with a camera instead of a shotgun in this day and age? Interesting don't you think that "eliminating" the wolf in New England has birthed the Eastern Coyote.

Fact is: Eastern Coyotes are not the same as Western Coyotes and they are not wolves.....

Maybe if the coyotes get the deer population under control, dog owners won't have nearly as much problems with lyme disease.

I find it interesting to note that Ontario doesn't have a similar problem with this disease, and I think it can be directly attributed to the fact we haven't killed all of our wolves off.

Hey, Moons,

Back in the day, I WON $106 in one of the contests! I wore a size 16 boys T-shirt, red hot pants and a Large Celtic cross to weigh down the cleavage. I always say if you're going to enter a contest, best do it to win.

And just so you know, the theory goes: 

It would only have been lone male wolves mating as females would never condone it. But for lack of a mate, well, just ask any prisonmate, seems what available is better than nothing. I agree with you about ticks, never saw one as a child, and now, all over the place. There was talk up in Maine to reintroduce wolves, because you can not have a healthy eco system without a top predator.  

PS: Make sure the water is lukewarm, please???

Here's what a young wolf looks like in North Central Pa ... I have some GoldMine yote pix too , but on a different PC right now.

Soooo, who thinks this a yote cross ?

 My comments were only in response to the article presented in the first post. It simply did not seem to contain objective research, which caused me to wonder about the underlying motivations of the author.  Nothing more.

Secondly, I admitted that in our area, coyotes find our calves, foals, and pets to be easy prey at times. When that occurs, we do shoot them. 

I guess shooting them with a camera as they attack a foal would be sweet, huh? Usually, that is when I see them most. If they stay away from our livestock, we stay away from them. No problem. It is not like we go out and "hunt" them down with a gun just to kill them. I actually find the coyote, wolf, and even the mountain lion (another predator in our region) to be beautiful creatures and I respect them for that reason. 

As far as ticks are concerned, I think the cold weather in Canada helps eliminate some of the ticks and the diseases. Here in the midwest US, there are certainly a lot fewer ticks during the winter and a really cold, cold spell seems to eliminate even more of them for a longer times. When we have a mild winter, there seems to be more, even some through the winter in the thick wooded areas. 

If you don't like that site for whatever reason, have a look at these. The bottom link discusses "reintroduction" of wolves in Maine. (Still looking for the Mass DNA study I was reading the other day.... can't relocate at the moment for some reason. Will find and and will post it then.)  Note, also, there is NO dog DNA in the Eastern coyote, but there is wolf DNA.

www.naturephotographers.net/articles1208/jw1208-1.html

www.propertyrightsresearch.org/2006/articles04/eastern_coyotes_are_becoming_coy.htm

www.vtfishandwildlife.com/library/factsheets/furbearer/coyote.pdf

http://www.westmorelandconservancy.org/CCWolfCoyote.html

No dog DNA in a coyote?
I find that impossible to believe, I've seen them cross too many times.

2Moons,

I'm sure if you've seen them, they exist, just not in the wild populations in the North East.   

 Beetree, Maybe I can bring my camera to the wet t-shirt event!  I love your idea about wearing the large celtic cross.

I will read the additional articles; I am not disputing what you are presenting, just did not like the article's less than scientific approach. Maybe my career in the medical field has taught me about research. I don't know, maybe just my age causes me to be less trusting and more of a skeptic about everything since there seems to be a political and monetary basis to most research. 

Thanks for sharing the information and opportunity for further education.