Would you breed to a3 hips? - Page 2

a3 is NZ, not fast normal. If I were a breeder I wouldn't breed to that, and as a puppy buyer I wouldn't buy from such a breeding even if the female was OFA Excellent. I've already had one GSD that I had to retire from the sport from dysplasia and I'm not willing to increase my chances by buying from inferior breeding stock. Yes, NZ means "still permissible" to breed by the SV, but we're not going to improve the breed by breeding to "barely passing" breed stock. There many BSP dogs with good hips, why breed to one that's just barely passing? -Yvette

good points made by all. the stud has lines that arent readily available here in the states except for him as far as i know. but he has a3 hips according to working-dog.eu. he V'd at the BSP and is a great sport dog. plus hes pretty close to me. i wasnt really leaning towards him due to the marketing factor.

Along with results from sibblings, you might also look at the ZW of this dog.

wow female that had bad hips produced puppies with good hips.goes to show no one knows shit when it comes to hips.have a nice one.

Maybe. Depending on the ZB of both the stud dog and the female. Used to be done all the time with darned good results most of the time.
But probably NOT for me. My nerves aren't that good and I tend to fall apart when somebody calls me crying, even if I've never even met their dog.

Molly's post confused me. ALL the puppies had good hips...but she was spayed due to her hips? Why isn't it possible that environmental issues caused her hip issues? Maybe I misread.....

Sorry to be confusing.  The female was adult, Schh3, still sound and no signs of any outward problems - so ??? about environmental issues but I expect not since a-stamp was done at 1 year old and she was NZ or a3 which is the lowest passing hip rating in Germany.  I could see for myself the terrible hips when I x-rayed  her - they were simply terrible, and confirmed by the terrible OFA rating - of course I would never breed her again, in my program or used for someone else's program.  I'm more "into" the breed than I am about money - could have sold her to a breeder who didn't care that her hips were bad - after all, she was Schh3, KKL1, well-bred and sound, produced puppies with ok hips - why not breed her?  Some may have.  Not me.  Me - I won't breed a dog with known problems.  If I had imported her not pregnant I would have x-rayed her and spayed/placed her and eaten every penny of what I paid for her - but she was already pregnant when I got her.   I was relieved the puppies' hips were fine.  I consider that to be luck, or came from the sire - certainly couldn't have come from the female.  Spayed and placed so she could live the remainder of her life being spoiled and cared for, but not bred.  It's the way I do things.  I've lost money on dogs before trying to do right by the breed, and would do it again.

molly

You're a good breeder, Molly.   I would never breed a dog with NZ hips and I would never buy a puppy whose parent (sire or dam) was NZ rated.  Those pups were lucky to have good hips.

Yes, you can look at the ZW number, breed to a much lower number (if the owner will let you and they usually won't for obvious reasons) and hope for the best.

We don't know the genes that cause HD. But we do know that NZ or worse hips really increase a pup's chance of having bad hips himself. The symptoms may not show up until the dog is older, but bad hips are bad hips whether the dog has pain from them or not.

Ok, I know the dog Bobby is asking about.  This dogs ZW is 107.  He has 4 littermates listed with ZW numbers as well those are:

88 dog
88 dog
88 dog
93 bitch

This dogs parents ZW's are:

92 sire
94 dam

I would probably pass on this male ESPECIALLY since he has a higher ZW than his littermates.......I would venture to say that the higher ZW than the littermates would indicate that he has produced HD.

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

After checking OFA this a3 dog only has elbows listed as normal and no record of hips......that usually means they DID NOT pass and the owners did not release the negative information regarding the hip rating to be seen by the public!  This dog did have a litter in 07 but looks like they are not old enough to show up on OFA.

This would deffinately would NOT be a breeding candidate!

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com