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starrchar

by starrchar on 04 February 2009 - 17:02

Thank you very much! I will go and take another look at this litter. From what I recall, the grandparents and great grandparents had good hip ratings. I was told by the breeder that they have had no hip dysplasia with the previous litters from this particular breeding. She feeds raw to her dogs, starts the puppies on raw and in order to maintain the guarantee on the pup, he/she must be fed a raw diet until 2 years of age.  She also does not allow the pups to be altered until they're mature- 18 months for females, 2.5 years for males.  She give vaccines sparingly as safely possible. She claims this has a lot to do with why she has little or no hip dysplasia in all of her litters. She has been a breeder for 20 years. Any thoughts on this theory?

Char


july9000

by july9000 on 04 February 2009 - 18:02

 I think it is either a lot of bullshit or a lack of knowledge!! I don't care if she has been breeding for a 100 years!!

Vaccines and raw has nothing t do with HIP dysplasia.  Neuturing early either..it only make your dog like a teeneage dog for it's whole life and they grow taller but no proof on incidence of HIp dysplasia..

Raw gives the dog very good muscular tone and less fat..and something we all appreciate..les stools!!

starrchar

by starrchar on 04 February 2009 - 18:02

Thank you very much! I will go and take another look at this litter. From what I recall, the grandparents and great grandparents had good hip ratings. I was told by the breeder that they have had no hip dysplasia with the previous litters from this particular breeding. She feeds raw to her dogs, starts the puppies on raw and in order to maintain the guarantee on the pup, he/she must be fed a raw diet until 2 years of age.  She also does not allow the pups to be altered until they're mature- 18 months for females, 2.5 years for males.  She give vaccines sparingly as safely possible. She claims this has a lot to do with why she has little or no hip dysplasia in all of her litters. She has been a breeder for 20 years. Any thoughts on this theory?

Char


gagsd4

by gagsd4 on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

Actually, early spay/neuter HAS been linked to increased incidents of hip dysplasia. I will try to find the study and post a link. And nutrition does play a role in orthopedic problems as well.

However, I would not expect someome who puts the stipulation about what I feed my new dog into the contract, to actually stand up for that if there is a problem in the future.

Mary

gagsd4

by gagsd4 on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

"... recent study showed that dogs spayed or neutered before 5 1/2 months had a significantly higher incidence of hip dysplasia than those spayed or neutered after 5 1/2 months of age, although it should be noted that in this study there were no standard criteria for the diagnosis of hip dysplasia."     Spain CV, Scarlett JM, Houpt KA. Long-term risks and benefits of early-age gonadectomy in dogs. JAVMA 2004;224:380-387.

Also, just in general, nutrition and its relation to ortho issues..... http://www.ilovemypet.com/jackart.html

Mary


by HighDesertGSD on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

All said, the owner of the dam who has the fair should not have chosen a fair stud. Why?

But it also depends on the depth of the OFA records and also the age at which the certification was taken, IMO. For a five year old dam, it mght have gotton a good at 24 month. If there are two or more generations before the parents with average good, then it is not necessarily automatic rejection either.

Fair is still normal a3 not fast normal according to OFFA, and I have seen, twice, two fairs get an excellent offspring. Actually, I also have rejected this dog as a stud because both of his parents are only fair, even though he is excellent. When you choose a stud, you go for the best. Why not?

Fair for a stud is automatic rejection for me, but a pup from such a litter is not automatic rejection. Pups are harder to find than sperms!



by HighDesertGSD on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

Yes, no such thing as too tight.

I have chosen an OFA excellent stud, with good sire and excellent dam. If my girl were also excellent, I will chosen an excellent stud if all other considerations were equal, but will accept a good rated stud for other reasons.

by HighDesertGSD on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

There was only normal grade for OFA hips rating some years back, may be late 1980's.

by tiffae89 on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

Ok I was wrong....Look here for OFASorry to step on toes.

starrchar

by starrchar on 04 February 2009 - 19:02

oops- didn't  mean to post my message twice- not sure how that happened. I am going to do my research on the previous generations and see what I find. That will help me make my decision.
 
Another question- if a dog has an SV breed survey does that automatically mean that the hips have been rated? I've noticed on many pedigrees a dog may have had a breed survey, but no hip/elbow rating is indicated. Is it omitted on purpose or because no one bothered to have it recorded? If the hips were good why would the owner not want it recorded?





 


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