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by wuzzup on 26 January 2009 - 06:01
I love the long coat .I bet your on to something rexy.

by Rexy on 26 January 2009 - 06:01
When it boils down to judging two dogs both with excellent comparable confirmation, one standard coat, the other long coat, the coated dog has a coat advantage for sure???. Obviously in the breeds best interests, it wouldn't be desirable to eliminate standard coats in favour of all long coats for the show ring, but a long coat "should not" be a disqualifying factor, as there are too many coated GSD's of wonderful confirmation of fine bloodlines thrown on the scrap heap as faulty dogs, my boy being one of them???. Rediculous!!!.

by oconnoka on 26 January 2009 - 14:01
Thanks Silbersee. I am aware of the longcoat clubs in Germany -- and thanks for pointing out the SZ registration numbers. I first heard of the favorable stance the SV General Assembly made last Spring from you. I was very pleased as I own a long-stock.
As it stands currently in the US would I be able to show my long-stock in a UScA conformation show under an SV judge and not be disqualified for coat?
For reference; here is my dog.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/490258.html
Thank you to all that responded; I appreciate your comments.
Katie
As it stands currently in the US would I be able to show my long-stock in a UScA conformation show under an SV judge and not be disqualified for coat?
For reference; here is my dog.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/490258.html
Thank you to all that responded; I appreciate your comments.
Katie

by VonIsengard on 26 January 2009 - 15:01
Ok, now I think a well put together long coat is a hell of a striking dog, but, Rexy, come on. The first 2 sentences of your second to last post are just silly. That's like saying any fault is acceptable just because it's in the genes. Perhaps the reason coats are frowned has to do with the lack of utility that coat has. Where I work I have never seen a LC used for K9. Imagine sending that dog after a perp who is running through the woods, or tracking someone through creeks and brush. The grooming needs of that coat are very high. Furthermore, I have seen LC with the very heavy and long style coat do poorly in the heat.
I know there are plenty of coats out there who mentally and physically are better dogs than many stock coats- but you can say that about many faults as well. Rules are rules, and standards are standards, and a respectable breeder must follow them. Making your own rules as a breeder is a slipperly slope. If/when the SV allows coats again I will greet them happily.
I know there are plenty of coats out there who mentally and physically are better dogs than many stock coats- but you can say that about many faults as well. Rules are rules, and standards are standards, and a respectable breeder must follow them. Making your own rules as a breeder is a slipperly slope. If/when the SV allows coats again I will greet them happily.

by wuzzup on 26 January 2009 - 17:01
Kczaja I have seen many long coats working with police dept.That coat could be a big help in the thick brush as it would be a better barrier from the thicket.In a kennel fight a long haired dog fairs alot better then a short coat as the teeth have to go threw the hair to get a good grip to the throat .Trust me the long hair come out with less wounds.

by VonIsengard on 26 January 2009 - 17:01
Just stating my personal experience in seeing the dozens of dog cycle through the facility I train for. Not one coat yet, I so know other departments use them. Why would a police K9 need its throat protected from the teeth of another dog?

by wuzzup on 26 January 2009 - 17:01
Your right a cop would just shoot the other dog.I was talking in a kennel fight ,as a rule the coat has an advantage.I do not know what facility you work for but I have seen many coats doing lots of work on news shows and cop shows.The cops could care less as long as the dog is sound.I also had the opportunity to watch a dog police certification test.Dogs from all over the state .There were some long coats there as well.there were at least 150 dogs certifying over three days .so I have some first hand knowledge of what im saying,They were certifying in all aspects of police work.All colors all different coats.

by Rexy on 27 January 2009 - 16:01
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KCzaja, we all know that a long coat is considered a fault, but the arguement is why???. Because a group of people empowered to make rules say so doesn't make it right. It may not be in all cases for example extremely cold climates that a long coat is inhibited to work, it could possibly be more robust in the freezing cold. The same applies as a shephered for livestock in their original duty, if it's more difficult for a predatory animal to penetrate a long coat and harm the dog, the long coat can do it's work of protecting the stock more effeciently. GSD's were not bred specifically for police dogs, Schutzhund or the show ring in their origin to base a breed standard upon.
Only 6 months ago, the police department awarded a medal of excellence to their best ever GSD K9 responsible for making the most arrests tracking and apprehending criminals at his retirement from the force in South Australia was actually a long coat red &black male. The news article showed 20 odd K9 GSD's with their handlers at the presentations where at least 6 were long coats???.
Only 6 months ago, the police department awarded a medal of excellence to their best ever GSD K9 responsible for making the most arrests tracking and apprehending criminals at his retirement from the force in South Australia was actually a long coat red &black male. The news article showed 20 odd K9 GSD's with their handlers at the presentations where at least 6 were long coats???.

by VonIsengard on 27 January 2009 - 16:01
I'm sure if you posed that question to someone with extensive knowledge of the SV history they could answer it for you without any hearsay.
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