Frustrated..need help finding a pup - Page 2

I do not expect any breeder to refrain from selling a puppy I am interested in, IF I have not put a deposit on that puppy. I also would not necessarily expect a deposit refund either, as the breeder has "waved off" potential buyers *because* of my deposit and may end up with an unsolld puppy, if I change my mind. IMO, in the current economy, breeders are going to be less inclined to just hold a pup, without deposits and less inclined to refund any deposits, as well. If a show breeder has a puppy all that flawless, they aren't going to be so likely to sell it. Most of the ones I know, "grow out" their most promising puppies for precisely that reason. They may be more amenable to a co-ownership relationship, than an outright sale. (Personally, I wouldn't recommend co-ownership anyway). Do your research and homework on bloodlines, kennels and breeders and be prepared to move quickly when the *right* puppy shows up. You mentioned not wanting to visit your local schutzhund clubs for assistance. Most members of clubs are more than willing to help newcomers in their quest for a puppy, if only being sources of information regarding which breeders to avoid. :-) Hodie has asked a good question.

I would suggest researching the breeders and the dogs they have.  Select the breeder that has the raw materials you are looking for in a pup and place a deposit on the best prospective litter, with the understanding that if the pup doesn't measure up when you see him or her, you can select from another litter till you are satisfyed with the pups.

It is a big investment to buy two pups, however, there does need to be some give and take.  Breeders need to know they are placing a pup with a forever home and if they feel you will ultimatetly find something wrong with the pup, they may not be willing to sell to you at all.  A pup will change from what you see at 8 weeks to what you have at one year old, sometimes based on environment and how their genetics co-exist with that environment.  A breeder will not want to risk having an uncontrollable or abnormaly subdued dog come back to them because it didn't become what you thought he or she would be.

Are you asking too much?  Its hard to hold back a pup when you have a commited family ready to take the dog home.  Keep trying.  Ensure the breeder knows you are serious but need to look at the pups.  See if you can find one with many options ready (whole litters) for you to look at, not just one or two that can go quickly.

It sounds as if you expect these people to hold their pups for you, just because you've sent them a non-commital "I'm doing research" type email? Sounds like the breeder gave you a courtesy call regarding the pup, and you put him off.

And wanting a male, and a female with different bloodlines sounds like you're going to start backyard breeding.

Sportsfan,

I may know of something that fits your description.

Mother is VA rated. Lines go directly to this year's German Siegerin Lana. (Cousin Lana)

Father is VA rated also.

Pup is 13 weeks old. She has a ton of prey drive and character.

Hello,

Thanks all for your responses and suggestions (for those of you that gave them) I do not and did not expect the breeder to hold the pup without a deposit. I did expect since I was emailed when to view and I answered that he would have at least responded with a time and day but that is not the subject of my post. I gave that information so I could get some suggestions of what the "normal" protocol is in buying a pup. See my post and the followup posts of mine please. That's it and maybe a few referrals which I have gotten especially via PM.

As far as Shellyk and your comment   

   And wanting a male, and a female with different bloodlines sounds like you're going to start backyard breeding.

I think that comment wasn't very well thought out and you are taking an assumptive stance as you do not know me or my intentions and not knowing me I would think you would at least want to clarify my reasoning BEFORE making comments such as you did above which I would think most folks would see how that reflects on you and not me but just so you know I do NOT have any intention of breeding only showing and titling etc but in the future you never know and also as sometimes happens I would certainly NOT want an accidental breeding involving a brother/sister etc.

It isnt a sin to breed pups if you can provide for them and afford to take care of them etc and I most certainly can...It's only a problem when you can't...very uncalled for statement!

Baldursmom thank you very much for the response and I agree. Thanks again.

Thanks again to all of you who actually gave helpful advice,

Respectfully,

Sportsfan

Dan

Your name sounded familiar, did a little search!

Is that you as well just 3 years earlier?

Dan Heskett? Sportstuff? www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/28071.html

Hello,

I know it can be frustrating. Dan, believe me it was not my intension to sell Eiko before you made up your mind, but our last contact was 12-15 and there were 4 males avaible. Since I did not hear from you since 12-14 I assumed you found a Pup elsewhere, and yes these Pups are getting bigger & more active by the day, so when I can sell one, I will. As would any other breeder, if one does not know how far the commitment will reach.

Hopefully you will find what you are looking for.

Regards Ulli Dresbach

My  Pup Heidi was bred for me by a top breeder who is a friend of mine, and although he was not bothered about a deposit from me, i insisted on paying one regardless,

That is the way to do business, and you must always keep your side of a bargain and do things the right way

I picked up the Pup on Boxing Day and paid the balance then and bought her home, and it is the right way to go

Steve

Oh, I see Dan, you're just planning for an unplanned breeding. Got it.

sportsfan

                    What you need to do is find a breeder that you can work with and can trust.  That is no easy matter.  Look at this forum on any given day and you will find post after post of buyers being ripped off by breeders. You have to wonder how many scam artist are out there?  Believe me as you are finding out this is not and easy task to find a quality breeder that meets your requirements.

I wouldn't send a deposit either till I was 100% confidant in not only the breeder and his reputation ask for references and check them out and the pedigree of the pup's.

I have been trying to buy a pup for quite some time and know exactly what you are going thru.  There are reputable breeders out there but they are few and far between.   My advice is hold on to your principles don't compromise I repeat don't compromise it will be frustrating at times but well worth your effort in the long run.

What a lot of breeders won't admit that without us buyers they don't  have a business.  They try and bully you and say this is what I want.  What you need to say is I'm the one spending the hard earned cash here this is the way it's going to work or it's not going to work.  It's better to pass on something that looks pretty good but doesnt meet all your requirements.

Best of luck to you.