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Well dawgesome I did buy a dog before from someone that titles, trains all his breeding dogs, I love the dog to death she is my best friend, but she is pet, and nothing else, and I had to do a lot of work to get her to the pet status, that is why from now on I want to see the progeany work, if I can't I walk away, there is no prove in breeding, the only prove is if you see the progeny work, than you can be sure this is something that you are most likely to end up with. :)

BTW I do agree with you that is a learning process :) I for once thing if you buy a dog from the same breeder over and over, you either didn't learn anything new :) or you know everything already :). I like to test out new bloods :). I like the challange.

I do know that there is a lot of breeders out there that go for the titles and they still breed Sh*t. Wouldn't you agree? YUP.

That's why I always say go see it for your self. YUP.

Don't go by website, don't go by titles, def don't go by breeders world :) I think it is possible to see any dog work. NOPE. Not if the dog isnt there, is injured, lactating or dead. When I buy a working line puppy, I buy the bloodline, the reputation of and my confidence in the breeder. Not more. Everything else can change with the puppy's development, right down to its color and markings.

if you buy a dog from the same breeder over and over, you either didn't learn anything new :) or you know everything already :). Hmmm... Where does that leave me, podnah, with all the nice Arolser Holz dogs I've bought over the years?

I like to test out new bloods :). I like the challange. Good for you. Let me know how it works out. Kinda like moving out of the fast lane to let a hot rodder go by... lets me know if there are any cops up ahead. Ha ha ha

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NOPE. Not if the dog isnt there, is injured, lactating or dead. When I buy a working line puppy, I buy the bloodline, the reputation of and my confidence in the breeder. Not more. Everything else can change with the puppy's development, right down to its color and markings.
 

If anything of the above I will try to see progany that he produced (if he didn't produdce anything, I don't want it). :) I don't care about the bloodline, paper is just a paper for me, but there are few that I like to see in my dogs, but I do know they don't guarantee anything. Reputation of a breeder, yeah you right about that if he been around and got a good rep (example Jim Hill) I will trust him little bit more than just any breeder. Everything else can change but a lot of things can be controlled, if you will bring up the pup correct way, if not than its your fault. Don't care about colors, but neither I need guarantee from a breeder, I know it's a gamble when comes to a pup. :)

Hmmm... Where does that leave me, podnah, with all the nice Arolser Holz dogs I've bought over the years?
You found what works for you :) Once I get ther I'll be like you :). I am still trying to figure it out what works for me and what not. I am pretty young comparing to some of you :), still got time ;).

I like to test out new bloods :). I like the challange. Good for you. Let me know how it works out. Kinda like moving out of the fast lane to let a hot rodder go by... lets me know if there are any cops up ahead. Ha ha ha

lol no comment on that one :) Like above you already established well what you like I am still learning :)

I do consider the progeny of both parents, further, the extended family, when I buy a dog for my breeding program, even a puppy. I want to see consistency of type and temperament, and structural soundness so I have an idea what I might expect from the pup itself and its progeny in future, assuming I make intelligent decesions when that time finally comes. It sure helps when you know/knew at least some of the dogs in the 2nd-5th generation, especially those line-bred upon in your dog''s pedigrees, when it comes time to select a candidate for the future of your program.

I make very few breedings without having consulted with at least one very successful, long-time (40+ yrs is good) breeder that I have known and trusted a long time. I'm lucky to have friends who are very familiar with results of a broad spectrum of mating combinations her and in Germany to call on for advice.

Both the last two dogs I imported for breeding, Gabi and Carol ("T") already had progeny on the ground, on the training fields and in the ring, with each other and with other partners, so I had & have a pretty good idea what to expect from them from a variety of combinations now and in future. Quite a few of those progeny are titled/surveyed KK1 now, which is further tribute to the quality of their produce. Moreover, these two had/have siblings, aunts, uncles, etc. that were/are also producing well, always a good thing in my book!

If I had bought my breeding stock in the US, domestically bred, I probably wouldn't have been able to make such an educated decision because few of the dogs' immediate families would have had the CHANCE to demonstrate their stuff on the field and in the ring. Even with all of that, every breeding is still a crap shoot. It just seems smarter to have as much of the deck stacked in a breeder's favor as possible to me.

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