Dry food my journey. - Page 2

 You don't have to cook it.....if you do, it ain't RAW! It's really easy to make: Defrost meat. Hand to dog.

--Jackie

Snaiper 69

Since i mentioned on tbis forum about the amount of Energy that Fred has and being hyped up on the training field no matter how much work he is given, I mentioned could it be the very high Protein in the excellent kibble Orijen that i feed him being some what the cause of this

I did not get any repliies from the readers so i spent a couple of days looking like yourself for another Kibble to feed him along with the Orijen but to cut the protein content down, and see if this was the cause of his hyper active phase on the training field

After reading a huge amount even going to the stores and turning bags upside down to take in what the list of ingredients were , but put everything back the way i found it afterwards, I finally decided to add Solid Gold Millennia Beef and Barley 50% to the Orijen bringing the protein content down from 42% to 32%

Now this kibble is 87 USA dollars for a 34lb bag, cheaper than Orijen but i have to send away by Mail to get both these kibbles, but if you spend 100 euros the carriage is free

Low and behold i go to order and it is out of Stock, so now i have to wait for the next shipment from the USA, however it looks like a decent kibble to go with the Orijen so in a few months i will see if Protein is the cause of a Dog being Hyper active, i have my doubts  that it is but we can only try

Steve

If anyone in the Washington DC area is interested in Martin's K9, please write. I may be able to split a pallet. (Pallet is 40 bags) and have some delivered to the area.

Oki guys so what is your take on the high protein food for gsd's? Good, Bad, don't know?

'Fred' has been fed on Orijen for 15 months now, He looks great and never a moments concern for his condition or health

But he is such a fireball on the training field that i need to try a different angle, to see if a drop in protein makes any difference, I see the one i picked looks a fair Kibble none of the usual rubbish put in it so it should compliement the Orijen well

Once i try it for a period of say 2 months together with Orijen, if his condition bodily does not change to what it is now and he steadies down a bit then i will know my theory may be right, and will continue to use both Kibbles together

If he does not change in say in  two months then it will prove that the high protein in Orijen was not the cause and perhaps that is the way he is,

 His Drive and work rate is beyond belief., but i would sooner he steady up a little, we will see

One thing is sure, i was laying in bed last night thinking about him we got back at 11.30 from the club that evening

as per normal he does his Obedience first, as all the Dogs do, then they do the Protection bit

on Thursday night when we take him i am going to not take him on obedinence first

i am going to wait until the Protection starts then take him for that

after the protection is completed with all the Dogs, then i will take him for obedience

He knows that the second time he goes out he is going for protection and he is mental  about it

So i am going to try and fool him and see his reaction

Or am i fooling myself

Steve

You most likely fooling yourself Steve but I belive it is a good idea to change your rutine every now and than. I work with a guys that does PPD mostly and he changes thing around quite a bit, never seen him put the dog in the same cenario too many times, so the dogs are constantly tested. I like that approch to training it show true colors of a dog. Good luck with your trainig Steve.

I really like the looks of your dogs, you defenitely one lucky guy.

Snaiper 69

I will let you know after training tomorrow night when we try it, I think you are right the Dog is much too clever  to be taken in by me

Steve

Anyone else suspect that some of these posts are really a sort of "viral" advertising by the manufacturer?

Ingredient of Martin's:

Meat & Bone Meal, Brown Rice, Brown barley, Poultry fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and vitamin E), Whole Ground Oats, Rice Bran,Chicken Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Natural flavor,       Menhaden Fish Meal, Brown Flax Seed,Sea Salt, Dried Whey,  Cheese Meal, Choline Chloride, Vitamin A supplement, D-activated animal sterol (source of Vitamin D3), Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Copper Proteintate, Zinc Proteintate, Manganese Proteintate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Cobalt,  Copper Sulfate, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Biotin, Folic Acid,Selenium Yeast, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin B12 Supplement, L-Ascorbyl -2- Poly Phosphate, Di-methionine.

Crude protein, not less than 22.0%
Crude fat, not less than 20% (12.0 % for lower fat blend)
Crude fiber, not more than 4.0%
Moisture, not more than 10.0%

Christine

blackthornkennel.com

Vets Choice Holistic:

Organic Chicken, Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and ascorbic acid and rosemary extract). Lamb Meal, Fish Meal, Flax Seed, Dried Beet Pulp, Brewer Dried Yeast, Egg Product, Apple Cider Vinegar, Garlic, Astragalus, CoQ10, DHA, Gingko Biloba, Ginger, Primrose Oil, Glucosamine, Condroitin, Trace Mineral Salt, DL Methione, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Coral Calcium, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Niacin Supplement, Choline Choride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ester C, Biotin, Inositol, Omega 3 / Omega 6 Oils, Dehydrated Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Calcium lodate, Sodium Selenite, , Yucca Schidigera Extract, Colostrum, Blue/Green Algae, Pectin, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus niger

Guaranteed Analysis

• Crude Protein, Not Less Than
• 24%
• Crude Fat, Not Less Than
• 18%

• Crude Fiber, Not More Than
• 4%
• Moisture, Not More Than
• 10%

I fed Raw for 15yrs one of my current dogs cannot have it, so I have reverted back to a complete, I use Skinners Duck and rice;

Ingredients

Free from artifical flavourings, colourants and preservatives.

Whole rice (40%), duck meat meal (20%), naked oats, peas, whole linseed, sunflower oil, sugar beet pulp, vitamins and minerals.

Typical analysis

Protein    22%

Oil    11%

Fibre  3.8%

Ash   5.5%

Vit A    10,000 iu/kg

Vit D3   1,500 iu/kg

Vit E    280 iu/kg

Copper   15mg/kg  (as copper sulphate)