SV Conformation Judges Please - Page 2

Debby,

I am probably WRONG...... but from the pic, it looks like a coat to me. Look at the feathering on the back of the front legs, when the dog is doing bitework. A BEAUTIFUL DOG tho!

Dawn

It should not matter anymore! Long stockhair are being permitted again as a variety starting next year. The SV just decided that at the last Delegates Meeting in end of May!

 Silbersee makes an excellent point, unless someone just does not like coats. I have a female here who is a stunning long coated female and, if titled and shown, would absolutely rate a V in conformation. Her structure, pigment and temperament is outstanding. But she is a coat. She is a granddaughter of Yasko.

Again, I think the fur on the legs, both front and rear may simply be wet. What would help is a head shot as I stated above. 

Hodie, you should be able to do all that with her next year! Currently, we are all waiting on more information from the SV office. As soon as the FCI standard is changed accordingly, they will make new regulations for breed surveys and shows for the coats to be included as a variety. So, from now on it is just a matter of preference. For us personally, we will most likely not own one. My husband hates the coat maintance. We had one many years ago (although he too was a borderline case), but things always got stuck and matted into his coat. Our Yuri only had feathers on his legs, nothing on his ears, and a well known SV judge told me that he would not be a coat if he was shown in out of coat condition.

As to the black dog: It is hard to judge. My homebred black male Onyx has the same plushy coat and he is not a coat. As a matter of fact, he had an extremely short coat as a puppy. The plushy appearance did not come out until the adult coat.

Edited to add link to Onyx:  www.vomsilbersee.com/onyx.html

Also, the dog in my avatar is his sister Olympia, the same plushy coat. 

Chris

 Chris,

I don't know if I will ever trial or show her, but the female I have is really lovely. Her pigment is outstanding and that is so often lacking, especially in females . She does not require much maintenance fortunately.

Onyx and Olympia look to be very nice blacks. They both have nice bone so often missing in the blacks. Did the ear of the male stand? He looks very, very nice.

My friend Marsha also has two excellent black dogs, neither of whom are coats, a male and a female, also from excellent bloodlines. They are working very, very well. The female will try for her SchH1 at the end of September and, when then shown, I believe she too may well end up with a V rating in conformation. She already was given an SG by a well-respected SV judge.

I too have seen pups with coats that only turned plush after they were older.

I will check back and hope the OP has a better head shot. The final call may only be possible if someone knowledgeable saw the dog in person. Normally I have no doubts as to coat or non, but this one is not so clear by the photos due to lighting and color of the dog, and background.

 The problem with coats being allowed back in  is that the SV can change its mind, as it did, what 12 or o years ago, and the coats will be out again.   Perhaps, though, there will be so much money involved during the next go-round that the coats will be in to stay.  After all, MONEY is probably the reason they are being allowed back in anyway.

Query:  What exactly does being allowed in as  a variety mean?   Will they be judged separately?   Will shows have a V-1 that can be either stock or a coat, or will there be V-1 stock and a V-1 coat per show?

Hodie,

hard to believe but Onyx was barely 5 months old in the stacked photo and the headshot on my homepage. I just wanted to illustrate how short his coat as a puppy was before his adult hair came in. Here is a link to his page here on the PDB: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/521572.html That picture and the photo below was taken at 6 and a half months of age. He still has a lot on his growth knuckles, as you can see. Onyx has these very nice thick leathery ears. Since he is so substantial and big-boned, everything went into his bones first, which is normal. But I did not want to give him any supplements. I have not seen Onyx for almost two months as he lives in Germany now with his co-owners, but will visit him next month.

BTW, I know (of) Marsha's female. I have seen quite a few photos of Elsa growing up. She is a really nice dog.

Nia,

the plan is to not have the coats and the normal ones be in a class together. Who knows? The normal ones might have a tough time competing and it would not be fair to them.

I personally do not think that they will change these regulations anymore. You have to understand that the old judges and SV board who had so much animosity against them are all gone and the newer and younger judges do not see a problem. The only thing I can foresee is the problem where to draw a line if the undercoat is sufficient and/or completely absent. Because the SV specifically states that it will only permit dogs with an undercoat.

Chris

 Chris,

Congratulations on Onyx. This is a beautiful male with a tremendous head and substantial bone. Should I ever want to breed to a black male, he would be the kind of male I would seek. Marsha loves him too!! Her Elsa is an excellent, excellent worker and has a wonderful temperament. Hopefully she will be successful with trialing her in September and then onto the rest of the story with her dog!

Our trial is with our friend Heiko Grube of the SV who is now VP of the SV. He and I have had many long discussions about long coats, size, working ability etc., and I do believe "the times, they are a changin'". Sometimes things move more slowly that we would like, but I am confident the corner has been turned based on discussions with him and others.

Anyway, hang onto this Onyx. He is gorgeous and I do not often say that.

sharyn

Yes, I had heard that the coats were getting some kind of recognition again. Thank you Chris for clearing up some of what that might entail.  Knowing that the testing is out there makes it easier to own and breed a coat, because you can test the other breeding partner and know if you will get coats or not. That makes it better for me in my consideration of this pup.

He is a bi-color and is only 6 weeks old. Here are some of his puppy pictures and that may help some of you more experienced long coat people?

3 weeks old

4 weeks old

6 weeks old

Here's what I see. LOTS of hair on the back of his neck and some waves on he ears. No hair between the toes or coming out from the inside of the ears.  Knowing that the black brother looked the same at this age.... makes it somewhat more re assuring. But, when I got these 6 week pictures I about jumped out of my skin....

Thanks again,

Debby