RED VOM GRIFFINDOR, what do u think of him? - Page 2

I'll take a stab at this being I do not have a corn cob up my a** like alot of other people.

5 months is an bad time to be judging anything.

that said,you pup could have richer color, but that could also be the lighting and bad photo quality.  He will probably have a faded saddle like his sire. he has a nice front, looks like proper angles in the shoulder., he has a steep croup, giving his back the rounded look.  try not to hold his head so far back, let him hold it at more of a natural angle.  it could possibly be making his withers look low. his coat is short and maybe thin, but I believe he is in India, so that could be expected from the enviroment there. It is hard to tell from the pic, but he may have hare or flat feet.  what kind of flooring is he being kept on?

Overall, he looks alot like his sire. not a bad puppy, as some here have made it seem.  He does not look deformed to me at all.  I have seen far worse advertised on this site forsale as show prospects.  My advise, love yur puppy, and don't go around on boards like this and ask for people to critique them.  as all you will hear are no working titles on the pedigree and that they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.  good luck with your boy and enjoy him.

Some of you guys are right.

1) 5months is not the right age to judge a dog, many puppies goes to puppy uglies at this time and fill out hopefully when they are around 1.5 years old. So till then we shall have to see.

2) the owner and the person handling are first time owners (handler) so is his family (sister, mother, father), i personally really doubt that they know how to handle or stack a GSD or any dog.

3) Both his parents are show winners here, because of the limited gene pool we have to make do with what we have but thankfully new quality dogs are coming in.

Thanks for your honest comments. by the way, I do not regard myself as BYB nor does anybody else here. My dogs have been doing very well in the shows.

"Dont worry, he is from my breeding." 

Unlike those that subscribe to the  "If it moves, breed it" philosophy, I believe genetics play a key role in both temperament and health. ---- PASS!

 I had heard that at this age the best way to look at a dog is to look at movement, but this is qualified because the brain is still developing so lack of coordination is common and not necessarily a problem.  Something you would look for is if the dog in constant motion, meaning she doesn't natural stop and stand. If she is there could be a structural problem.  If she can stand still of her own accord and hold a natural postion it can suggest a sound structure, meaning she is in comfort  - constant movement can suggest physical discomfort and therefore structural problems.  Also it would be good to have - like idadenton pointed out - the HD/ED ratings of the dogs in her pedigree.

Best of Luck,

Susan

p.s. I think you are not only wise but brave to ask for input on your dogs; and you're courteous to boot! kudos to you:)

Uber, thanks for your comments.

His feet are a little flat as the he lives indoor on tiled flooring, I told the owners that he rather be in a kennel with a run with a better surface floor.

Its is so hot here that many dogs do not have that rich, plush coat and build that we all love. Many dogs were imported from Germany for the forces and within 2 weeks lost most of the plushness and richness. So you are right, its the climate condition.

This is good based on the limited resources, lets wait and see till he matures.

what's wrong with his mother? besides her back not being bent like a banana. She has a nice level topline, good angles front and rear, not bad color, she is feminine and has won top placings at shows she has been entered.

People have bashed these dogs, but haven't said why they think the way they do.  there's a big difference in constructive critizism and just being plain rude and nasty.

Damn that's not a beautiful dog, but no wonder when you take a look at the parents.

I don't care how small your genepool is, then don't breed.

This is not at all a good looking GSD.

srilankagsd,

I read all these comments first and then looked at the photo. He is not that bad!!! My gosh at 5 months, he is in a very awkward stage. While he will never be show quality according to SV standard, I really do understand where you are coming from. It is very hard to try and breed the kind of quality dogs in Sri Lanka, where you only have a limited genepool. If I were you, I would look up north to your neighbors in India. There is some excellent quality there. And please do not pay attention to these rude and nasty people who apparently do not have a clue. Like Uberland said: They bash but do not give you a reason why.

If you care to hear a critique, here it goes: Your dog is very gangly right now, but it is obvious that his upper arm is very short and somewhat steep.  This will affect his gait as he won't develop enough front reach. If his owners still want to pursue a show career, I would start swimming him on a regular basis. Swimming is great exercise without stressing the joints. Later, when he is over a year old, you can start gaiting him in the sand. Pulling in deep sand is great for working the front reach. You do have pleanty of sand in Sri Lanka, don't you? After the age of 18 months, you can then add weight pulling. For that, you build a sled out of plywood and fasten weight to it. If that is not obtainable, use an old car tire and pour concrete in. Install hooks on each side and voila.  Make sure you use a harness where you can distribute weight evenly and do not lead him on it. Put a regular fursaver around his neck and clip a leadh to it. Then walk him slowly. Other things worth mentioning: Your dog has sufficient rear angulation.  That too is a problem. Right now, he appears flat in the withers, but that can be a growing stage. And yes, you need to worry about fading pigment with him, as he is already very light for being 5 months old.

Regardless: I am sure his owners love him and that is what this dog deserves. He is not a "that" and "deformed". Tigermouse, shame on you. You are so rude, it is pathetic. Somebody should take soap and rinse your mouth out. Take a good hard look at your own dogs. That puppy you so proudly displayed under your personal information is not any better. On the contrary, it will even be more square looking than srilankagsd's dog.  Maybe, you need to sit down and read the standard again. Or go and find a worthy mentor. Unlike the OP, there is no excuse for you to not having access to some good dogs. I would follow the lead of some knowledgable GSD people in the UK like Videx, Nikki Farley, Antilli, Astana or SueB.

Silbersee- as usual, you display more class, knowledge, intelligence and common courtesy than most of this board put together.

Srilankagsd, I understand about the heat.  I live in Texas and we have averaged over 100+ degree's for 2 or 3 weeks.  today has been like 95 and it feels like paradise at the moment. non of my dogs have that nice thick coat except for in the fall and winter. my poor Viernheimi Nick daughter who generally has a very full coat looks completely naked at the moment. same with my schipperke.