implication of breeder retaining stud rights - Page 2

I agree, Windwalker. 

If you (the OP) have informed the breeder that you intend on owning the dog as a pet and a pet-only (with limited registration), then chances are the "retained breeding rights" do not apply to your dog (hopefully)...only a dog deemed worthy to be bred in the future (that is to say this breeder believes in health testing, titling, etc.)

You can't have your cake and eat it too. If any breeder would try to do that to me I would walk away.

 If the pup is not show quality I don't know why the breeder would want to use him, but it can be difficult to tell at a young age. I have often heard of agreements similar to those that Windwalker has outlined - the breeder sells the puppy with right to a certain number of breedings (3, 5, 8 for example) and only for his own females, the price of the puppy would depend on  what rights the breeder retains (eg how many breedings).   I would assume the breeder would pay for any costs involved if and when the dog was used.  I do not really see a problem here if both parties are in agreement.

It's a clever thing to do. Lots of breeders do this. They might have a hunch that the dog may turn out good, but cant  affod to keep it, and if it turns out wrong, try selling it after,so they will sell it to you witht hese rights. If the dog turns out good, they can breed from it, and useit to breed. And you cant stop them, cos you allowed them to in he frst place.

It's a good trick for breeders, and if you are wanting to keep it for a pet, it doenst matter, but if you want a show dog, this is something i wouldnt do.

Thank you all for your replies. They are very helpful. I only want the dog as a pet and I'm now clearer on my feelings with regards to the breeder retaining stud rights.

"It's a clever thing to do. Lots of breeders do this."

Again I ask, who does this?   

Update: when I asked more questions the pup went to another buyer.

Of the pups I sold with stud rights I think I only used 1 or two...  The buyer got the dog @ half price origionally so it was win/win as far as both parties were conserned. Not unlike selling a promising female with puppies back if/when it is bred for a reduced cost.  "It's a clever thing to do" sounds like the breeder is trying be slippery and get one by the buyer.  If it's discussed openly, and clearly defined and agreed to there's nothing devious about it... Additionally it keeps a genetic pool available to someone with a goal in breeding in mind without them having to have a kennel full of dogs, and perhaps not being able to give each the mental stimulation they deserve.

Muldoon... if asking questions caused the breeder to pull out you're prolly better off in the long run.  There are others who will be open with you and I promise you'll be happier in the long run.

Thanks Windwalker. I deliberately asked the questions before seeing the dog, and although I'll never know, I'm not surprised they pulled out. I just hope the buyer is happy with the arrangement, which of course they may well be. I just want a simple arrangement to buy a pet. It's an emotional enough endeavour without having to take on this complication. I think breeders need to be clearer on their boundaries and if they are letting puppies go because they don't meet their show or other requirements, then either let them go or keep them - don't tax the buyer with their issues!

 I bought my first GSD with such an agreement, and it was a win-win situation.  I only wanted a pet, but I wanted a *nice* looking pet.  (Personal preference, and my right to want a pet that I like to look at!)  The breeder wanted to keep his bloodlines going.  

I got a fine-looking dog at half-price.  I also got a breeder who stayed in touch with me, who administered the vaccines for me for free (her husband was a retired veterinarian), and who also provided free boarding when I had to travel.

It wasn't any skin off my nose that my dog also "got some" while he was at her place!  lol

I had no plans to breed him myself, I didn't have the knowledge or time to get into all that.  It really didn't bother me at all that she retained breeding rights.  If all you want is a pet, then why should it bother you?

I can understand if you'd want to use the dog yourself for breeding, but if not, then why do people think the breeder is trying to "pull a fast one"?  Instead of having a pet that didn't meet breed standards, I had a pet who did, for the cost of a pet quality pet.  He was 4.5 years old when I got him, so the breeder had showed him some, and knew what he produced.  He was very healthy too, right up until a couple months before he died at age 12.

You may have just passed up the opportunity to get an awesome dog at a pet quality price, and an ongoing relationship with your breeder.  I don't see anything complicated about that.

Unless of course you were going to breed him yourself.  Or unless you didn't want to have an intact male.

I bet the new owners will be very happy with their pet.