Buying and Selling Dogs - Page 2

Good to see some one is working to do the right thing by the Dog, with a dog that has been "passed around" do you ever have a contract with the new home that the dog is NOT to be re-sold?

I think it is great you if you can make a few bucks from saving one, so you can save the next one. a Forever home is all they want and a trained dog has a much better chance of getting one,

Milli,

I always have a "first right of refusal" clause in my contracts.  I always want to know, for record keeping sake, where my dogs are at.  I have no issue if the person who owns the dog needs to place it, and I know where the dog is going and that the dog is safe, however, I want to know.

Also, I never allow previous owners to know where I have placed dogs, and I require "donations" to sign a release form on the dog.  Sometimes I 'rescue' dogs, and do not ever want that to come back and bite me in the butt(altho, I could stand to loose a pound or two)  Seriously, some new owners would be nervous if old owners knew where the dogs were.

I do forward updates and pictures, minus address/names to old owners, however.

Sounds good.Are the dogs neutered before they go into these homes?

Neutered?  Spayed?  If they come from Animal Control, they are altered before they leave the facility.  If they are gotten from private individuals, they are if they are not conformation correct, tempermentally sound, or have health issues. 

And, depending of the severity of the health issue or the temperment issue, they are escorted to the rainbow bridge.  My thought it, that the time/money/energy spent on saving 1 dog with severe issues(as discussed with myself, and my vet) could be used to saved several dogs without issues.

Dogs that are placed unaltered, are only worthy of being placed intact.  Again, this is my judgement, but I am fairly, I think, harsh in my judgements.

Your gender means nothing to me MS.BrightandBushyEyedDogtrainer .  I used to shoe horses and do blacksmithing for a living as well as other things male dominated.  I know gender makes a difference to some, but probably not most..they just want results.  Veronica

Dog trainer, why would you wonder that many are skeptical when they read ads for dog trainers? You say you have 25  years experience yet no one here has ever heard of you as far as I can tell. You even intimate that you are so good you will travel around the world to train dogs. When one can mail order a "degree" in dog training, most of us will want to see the proof of your talents . On this board and others like it, we are not looking for a person who had trained a dog to a CD or a CDX or to be a therapy dog. or to fetch the newspaper. Most will want to hear how many you have trained to a Schutzhund title or another mansport. 

Dog "trainers" are a dime a dozen. One worked with a shelter I once supported. It turned out he knew as much about training dogs as my 12 year old grandson and he ruined a number of dogs that could probably have been re-homed successfully. Just because he called himself a dog trainer, didn't mean he was one.  By and large, dog training is an unregulated business so no licensing required to advertise one's self as a "dog trainer". Don't kid yourself, most here well understand the business of dog brokering.  We didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

Wow, Blitzen,

Who peed in your wheaties?

I am sorry that you have had bad experiences with dog trainers.  That is sad.  Unfortunately, I am finding that to be more and more true.

Service dog training and placement, btw, is as difficult, if not more so, than Schutzhund work. 

Why has no one ever heard of me?  Well, I would warrant because you don't necessarily travel in the same circles.  And that is ok.

I did do schutzhund, in the early 80's.  My MS has prevented me from doing much of that lately.  And I will freely admit that I don't train in protection, nor do I work with extremely large aggressive dogs anymore----I did when I was younger, but not now.  I frst learned about Schutzhund from Mike West in Peoria, Ill.  Great guy.  I often wonder if he is still around, and still working on the department.

I have a dog now, that I would like to title in Schutzhund, but there are several problems:  1)  I don't have the energy to work him.  He is a pretty big boy.  2)  I don't have the man-powere to work him.  He needs to be worked on a sleeve daily as well as tracked daily---which is the biggest thing----I simply hurt too bad to get up at 6 in AM and track him.He will get his 1, just not by me. His 2/3, however, will likely be done by me, if he is not sold.

I am hoping to work my Rottie bitch in Schutzhund, and likely will get her titled.  But, she is an easier dog to work than my GSD.  Don't know yet about my male Rottie.

Schutzhund doesn't necessarily mean much to me, in the title end of things.  Anyone can do something with their dog once.  In AKC Obedience, you have to maintain things for several trials under different judges. 

Service dog training.....Giggle, well, I guess you have never trained and placed one successfully, or for that matter close to 100.  Because trust me, if you ever do one, you will be begging to go back to doing Schutzhund.  Trust me when I tell you, it is much harder than it looks.

So, in regards to traveling, and my training:  NO, I don't do Schutzhund for other people.  I used to do police dogs.  Sold several in the 80's to departments.  I went to National K-9 School of Dog Training, apprenticed with Joel McMains(Google him and read some of his books), and worked as a consultant for the Department of Defense's Service Dog Training Facility at Ft. Knox and Leavenworth, where I trained military inmates how to teach dogs to pull wheelchairs, turn on/off lights, alert to sounds, and save the lives of disabled vets.

Again, Blitzen, I am very sorry that someone hiked their leg in your wheaties.  It is a shame that someone who is able-bodied, and full of life can't use it more positively.

Have a great afternoon!  I am off to teach a 9 yr old child with Autism how to work her new service dog, who does brace work, interrupts behavior, and keeps her from walking out into busy streets.....

Also, as a side note:  I am very sorry that some feel it is a "sin" to make money training or selling dogs....I guess some are not allowed to earn a living? 

Oh, wait, that is taking advantage of other people.....my bad....

Blitzen, also note:  I do not train therapy dogs.  I train dogs to alert to sounds---hearing ear dogs, I train dogs to pull wheelchairs, open doors, turn on/off lights, retrieve objects as small as a dime and deliver them to hand(people who are paralyzed can pick things up off the floor)., retrieve directed objects("Beer "  Means get drink from the Fridge), find lost objects(many clients I work with have issues with loosing things....like where they parked their car)do some guide dog work(keep kids with autism out of streets and keep them from bolting out doors), interrupt behaviors, such as self mutilation, or other obsessive compulsive disorders, and so forth.

And, yes, those people with mental disabilities have as much right to exist as do you, and they have a right to own a well trained dog that can save their lives.

This post is getting way off the topic, so I will stop...but if you really want to learn something new, then be willing to listen....

I do try, like many reputable breeders, to do things right and honestly.  Can you say the same?  Or have you just been ripped off?  Which, again, I am truly sorry for.

And, hey, I completely understand about dog trainers that know nothing.....I have a BarkBusters in my area that I am getting a ton of clients from because they are "stealing" money from clients.

Or there are the "clicker nazis" out there....the ones who think a dog is better off dead than to ever be corrected....so, yes, I have to deal with people who don't do right either....I simply strive to not be one of them.

If I ever decided to buy a dog from another country, I certainly would consider using a good and honest broker.   Most of your top trainers are brokers and they have contacts in Germany, Belgium, etc., that they trust.  I would have no problem going to a person like Nate Harves (or several others that I can think of off the top of my head) and saying "hey, I need such and such in a dog, can you find that for me?"

Of course I haven't won the lottery lately so I haven't had the chance to do so yet.