Reality of how often a bitch can be bred? - Page 2

I almost forgot where I was at,  Forgive me.

First off I have to say I have little or no faith in doctors or science, they flip flop everytime new data appears and change their theories accordingly in every field, not just one.   Perhaps here for now they are correct.  And women take birth control so why not use (cheque drops) to skip a heat cycle.  A woman should know the risk's of taking birth control and they should realize those have changed as new data became available.  And then there is the moral question that has so much impact here in the usa.  There is also the laws of nature to understand yet these animals are not living by those rule's are they?

Health, fitness and quality of life are always at the top of my list, quality of life being number one.  Then there is the offspring to consider, notice I have no regard for money.  Why else would someone breed an animal, improve the breed?

Dog's are not livestock and how often do I see post's about shelters and over population, bad genetic's and problems with the breed and now some having a big problem selling pups in a slow economy.   I realize some of the members have large operation's and money is the bottom line.  Business is business.

I admit breeding back to back cycles can be fine as long as the bitch is getting the best of care, but what if they are not?

And I believe a dogs is more than livestock and deserve's a life with a little more substance.

Its ultimately up to each person how they care for the animals they keep.

Sri, these folks know more about the science of breeding than I do.    I'm just a country boy who love's all life, man, beast, and earth.

Brent.

Breed it till it's euterus falls out.

Note sarcasm

Then you probably wouldn't want to use Cheque Drops. GARD.

I think people should breed dogs when they have prospected buyers, so our dogs can have safe homes and not stay at the breeders house at their cost.

Dont worry, i breed only few litters each year and my dogs are in top demand and are spoken for well in advance. I dont know about other breeders (backyard, hobby and small commercial) who are the real problem.

Let me tell you what happened yesterday.

Yesterday while doing my daily cycling i decided to stop for to meet somebody who had been showing his dobermann in show for a long time. His dog is almost a champion.

When i went to meet him there were 2 boys asking for a stud from him. Which is fine. The boys bitch had a good pedigree and thus as he described was good. The owner of the dog was asking for USD 150 for the stud, which is fine as the dog was good. But the boy was was tight for cash was trying to get it done for USD 50, yes you can find a dog for USD 50 but what are you getting. Anyway's he did not agree for the stud as he did not get his price. I assume this boy now will finder a cheaper quality male and create bad puppies.

Dkiah & Co

Back to back breeding, what a load of rubbish that is, if you are a ladies and you have just had a baby,

But on your next cycle you are made pregant again, Yes , that is the same as a Dog,

Then you have the Baby and it goes on a third time you are Pregnant again so three babies in a row you have without a break, that is no different to a Bitch having Pups back to back

You mention the health bit, how are you going to recover inbetween pregancies and get fit to  breed each time

No looking at it in a commercial sense in Dogs is wrong and anyone who breeds back to back is looking only for rthe Dollars not the Dogs welfare

Now i have never bred a Pup in my life of keeping Dogs for thirty plus years, but its the thought of a Bitch being a Puppy farm which makes me puk

Now if your Dog is a Male you can Breed him often enough without hurting him, but still it should not be overdone, and i can tell you from the human side of this practise, 'never over do anything;

Steve

My now older female in her last few years started missing pregnancy all on her own. So even if I did breed her back to back one year she would always not take, so I just gave up and did her every second heat.

 I just had a client bring in her female for the second time within a 2 month period. Two months ago she brought her 2 year old maiden female in but was at the tail end of her heat and my male would not even look at her. She talked with her vet about inducing her heat but it didn't even get that far. Apparently she , the female, was around another female in heat and came back in only, or less then, 2 months later. Thought that was very odd.

I also breed horses and have talked to other breeders and they also have been experiencing odd heat cycles with their mares. Maybe  it 's in the air or the weather changes, I dunno but have been hearing some pretty strange stories on heats and pregnancy on dogs and horses.....maybe with other animals but I am only in the dog and horse world so this is all I hear about.

Food for thought.

Personally, I like training my bitches and having a bit of fun with them, if they had back to back litters, they wouldn't have much time to do anything else.  Depends on why you have the bitch I suppose.

Margaret N-J

Wow you stupefy me .

Please don't breed again ......EVER

Guys look at his previous posts, puppy farmer in the making.

Puts his dog's down because he cant be arsed to re home them .....NICE

I  give up

Oh for pete sake, this thread is about a medical issue, not a moral one. Repeat - every bitch whelped is bred with x number of eggs, no more, no less. Every time she has a heat cycle, she sheds x number of those eggs meaning that sooner or later that supply will be depleted and she will then be infertile.  The job of fertility specialists like Hutchison advising breeders how to best manage their bitches.  He's not the morality police; he's a scientist.  In order to use a brood bitch to her full potential, Hutchison and most other canine fertility specialists suggest to either breed that bitch every season assuming she has recovered from the previous pregnancy and her litters have been normal and healthy. If you can't or don't want to do that, then the next best thing is keeping her from coming into season and shedding those valuable eggs. Cheque Drops are the drug of choice to prevent a bitch from cycling.  Take it or leave it, that's the medical side of managing the brood bitch. It's called animal husbandry and would normally be applied to those animals we think of as livestock and not pets. Canine fertility doctors leave the ethcial management of dogs up to the discretion of the breeders and rightfully so. They tell the breeder how to get as many puppies as possible; it's up to the breeder to write the rest of the story..

The moral side of breeding a bitch every season is another issue and not a part of this discussion. Start another thread if you want to talk about  the ethics of breeders who breed their bitches with every season. However, keep in mind that if the bitch is in good health and has had no whelping problems there is no valid scientific argument for that practice causing any ill effects to the bitch or the puppies. If the bitch is run down and poorly cared for, yes.  Even if she's serving as a brood bitch in a puppymill, if she's well cared and in good health, then you need to find another argument to support your opinons.