long coat gene - Page 2

Excellent updated info, Silbersee-thank you!
Interesting. I'd not heard that one yet, but it's fine with me.

thanks silbersee thats great news

Silbersee, What are the issues being voted upon? Thanks.  ecs

ECS,

the BV (General Assembly - the body in the SV who can make these changes; they are comprised of the board of directors and the delegates each region sends) has already voted to reinstate the long stock coat, not the long coat. The difference is the undercoat or lack thereof. The long stock coats will be shown and bred as a variety. Right now, the appointed commission is working on the regulations, i.e. for shows, breeding and breed surveys. Then, the FCI standard will be changed accordingly and the revised version sent to the FCI, VDH etc. I can not tell you how long that will take until it is official and finalized. It has been rumored for years and now it happened and everybody knows it (well, I guess almost everybody). The different regions in Germany have already informed their members with reports on their homepages. So, it is for sure.

A couple of other issues were voted upon but it does not really have a bearing for anybody outside of Germany, like no SV member can be a member of a dissident organization for GSDs at the same time. They are obviously referring to the RSV-2000 - Dr. Raiser's newly formed organization.

Chris

Chris do you know some of the thinking behind this decision? I'm just curious why they would not just restore them to their previous KKL2 status.

Why create a variety? It seems as this would fuel coat to coat breedings. Is that part of the reason - to restore the dropping registration numbers? Was it felt that coat fanciers would no longer accept 2nd class citizenship and would stick with their own created registries unless they were given variety or KKL1 status?

I have been a long time critic of the decision to disqualify the long stock coats for a variety of reason but I do have to wonder if this new decision is just going to create a worse mess. Personally I think restoring them to KKl2 status would have been sufficient and more logical and easier logistically speaking.

bump  Chris I see you are present. This fell down to the second page so I thought you might not have seen my questions above.  I think we'd all love to know some of the background thinking about this subject.

Sorry, Beth. No, I did not see this before.

Yes, the SV will offer the coats as a variety, so they do not compete with the "regular" ones. This is just fair, as coats are beautiful, and some of our regular stockcoat ones would not stand a chance, ha ha. There are two organizations in Germany which promote the breeding and showing of long stockcoated dogs. They hold their own events (shows, trials, breed surveys). One is the www.lsvd-net.de and the other one the www.asvd.de . Neither one has FCI or VDH member status and is therefore not recognized outside their community. For example, the AKC would not accept their registration papers.

The SV has lost a lot of their members for various reasons and might speculate that they can entice new breeders and exhibitors with that move. At the same time, the long stockcoat was voted in, they also voted to amend the SV bylaws, that will prohibit dual membership with a dissident organization. That means that SV members who hold a membership with the ASVD or LSVD or the RSV-2000 (Raiser's SV - as this new organization is called) will be expelled from the SV. And don't forget that the standard will not be officially changed until the SV sets up the showing and breeding regulations. So, this might take another year before we see these variety classes at the shows.

Frankly, I don't see a reason why the coats should be in KKL2. Once they are reestablished, they should be judged by their working ability and anatomy and not the coat length. Keep one thing in mind: We are only talking about the long stockcoat here, not the long coat. Dogs without an undercoat are still banned.

It should be a choice for everybody. Personally, I do not really want to own one anymore. For my taste, they require more maintenance. We have owned one for 12 years (he died of old age) and just recently kept one female puppy here for a couple of months. Things will always get tangled into their coat. We live in the country. So depending on weather and time of the year, there is mud, ice, briars etc matting their hair.

Chris