Has anyone dealt with this kennel??? - Page 2

There are quite a few of us that have delt with this kennel and have had problems.  I was one of the lucky ones that got my deposit back.   I smelled a rat and boy was I right.  If you are looking for a DDR there are quite a few kennels on this site that sell DDR's that are much easier to deal with.

From my knowledge of Pam, she's been professional and decent enough. My friend inquired to use one of her stud dogs last year and he had no bad issues with her. And I don't see her claim as the one dog she owns a grandsire of being false-he IS a descendant of her boy, and apparently is a police dog. While granted, he may not be a direct progeny (son), I think that's why the vague word "offspring" was used. Nothing wrong with that. If he's a grandson, then obviously more people are also involved with his breeding and they're ALL entitled to the benefits of his achievements. After all, it took the bloodlines from von Hena-C as well as some of these others. If he was my grandpup, I'd wanna brag about him, also. I'm glad she's proud of her grand-progeny's achievements. :o)

"Bloody Americans murdering the English language," huh?    Why, whatever do you mean?  Getting rid of extraneous "u"s in color and favor, for example?       Admittedly, it made some bits of 'Harry Potter" difficult.   I didn't know what a "jumper" or "trainers" were for a while.   Not to mention treacle.     But, I did eventually learn that they were just sweaters, sneakers and pecan pie without pecans!! 

"And I don't see her claim as the one dog she owns a grandsire of being false-"

What about the idea of having a photo the owner requested, "either notate it or take it down"?  She didn't have my permission for the photo, the stud owner does, however.  I took the photo, had it on my own website as a copyrighted photo, shared it with 1 and only 1 person.  When I found my photo on her site, I asked very politely to please change the caption to include the dog's full name, or please take the photo down.  There really is no justification for this.  She wanted to promote her own dogs but as she noted, she wouldn't want to give credit to me.  This is not very professional no matter how you want to define the word offspring. 

Rather than "toot my horn", Pam said she's taking the photo down, finally.  Suddenly she doesn't want my dogs on her site anymore.  I'll spare you the rest of the email she most recently sent.

I've talked with Pam on more than one occasion (first time a few years ago) and second time her sister was interested in one of my Goldens, and I never had an issue with her, she seemed professional, and curtious to me, for what its worth.

Sure, if the pic is yours then she should abide by your rules, but she still has a right to claim him because she is part of what produced him.
And yes, I understand your frustration. One of my beloved bitches' pictures has been on someone's website for 17 mos now on their "For Sale" page-this person NEVER owned my bitch, didn't import her or ever have ANY ties to her let alone has never had any right to her, etc. Do I need to add my girl has never been for sale? And I have sent emails and demanded the pic be removed to the person but nothing gets done and I am ignored-it's still there to this day. So I DO understand how you'd feel concerning your pic and the frustration of someone using something without your ok. Why Pam doesn't acknowledge you I don't personally know. That's where it kinda doesn't make sense on her part. I do not know her personally so I cannot say what kind of a person she is. She's been decent to my friend-that's all we know.
If your boy was a grandpup of mine, I'd certainly wanna claim him and show his pic on my website; but I wouldn't claim him as MINE; I'd say who's he is and who he belongs to, but identify what bloodlines of mine he's from. It would help show people what my dogs are continuing to produce and make him a tribute to my breeding efforts. I see nothing wrong in that.

I agree Katjo.  It's not made sense to me all this time.  Now that this is out in the open she says she's taking the photo down.  She cannot give credit where credit is due, only claim it as her own until she's caught. 

I thought I was being kind to offer to let her keep the photo at all.  I was pretty angry to see it on her site without my permission to begin with. I thought a good compromise was to offer to let her keep it and just add the dog's full name.  My email to her was quite cordial., non argumentative or judgemental.

Hello all, I am the stud owner to this JC and feel I have a say in this matter.

1. If it was not for Pam (Hena-C kennels) Sue Ann would not have had JC. JC is a Zeus son, out of Sue Ann's female, however; Zeus’s sire and dam are from Von Hena-C kennels, that makes JC part of Pam’s lines no matter if you like it or not. And, not only did Pam have the stud’s father but sold me his mother, therefore JC’s grand sire and dam are from VON HENA-C’S kennel.

As I can recall, Sue Ann told me it was ok for me to share that photo and I did! I believe her words were and I quote "I made the photo available to you for your use, you shared it, no big deal in my mind". (E-mail dated; Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:31 PM)

Pam does not have to post were that dog come from, she has already stated on her site it is her PROGENY which she has all the right to and a clam to glory, as do Sue Ann and I. If I don’t have the full name of the dog on my site, why do you (Sue Ann) feel you have to point the finger at Pam, do you like to start trouble or what? OH, that is a dumb question.....Peggy

News flash-people in the dog world can be strange and somewhat difficult individuals to deal with at times-both buyers and sellers.  I've seen everything from self-centered and arrogant to psycho, good-as-gold to down-right pathetic. There's all kinds out there, and trying to deal with them can make you grey. lol. I don't try to figure it all out or understand it anymore; I just deal with my aspect of things and move on. If she took the pic down, Sue, then it sounds like you got what you wanted-that's farther than what I've been able to get with my own situation-my girl is still out there online on someone's For Sale page where she doesn't belong and ultimately there's not a whole lot I can do about it.
Fair enough I guess, but due to the bloodlines and all coming partially from her, I still feel she has a right to brag about him also. And it seems the dog's actual OWNER agrees to this also.

Peggy, you quoted my email but not the whole thing.  Yes it is no big deal Pam has the photo...if you were complete in my quote you would have continued that I simply wanted her to identify the photo appropriately.  Yes, at one time Zeus' mother was owned by Pam.  At the time JC's dad was produced you were owner of her.  Zeus is from your kennel, with you listed as his breeder.  Pam never has owned him and she has no direct tie to JC or Zeus.  At least not to claim JC is from her breeding.

This is black and white.  Pam's got egg on her face.  Sorry.  Just stating facts I know first hand...no gossip or rumors...pure unadulterated facts.

Peggy you didn't have the right to give a photo to anyone for use on a website.  We've discussed this to death.  The photo was a gift from me to Pam IF she would add the full name.  She chooses not to and instead prefers to take the photo down.  Amen.  It's settled.  Let's move on please.