Anyone with legal knowledge??? - Page 2

Yes, I understand.  Been there myself this week and my rear has been feeling quite sore these days. lol

neohaus,

Your friend needs to find a real hard ass to deal with this stud owner.

If you were in my area I'd do it for free.    I've been there and people like this really burn my butt.

Look for a repo man or a bar room bouncer or a debt collector who would feel sorry for your friend and maybe do it just for fun, I'm not the only one who doesn't like people like this.

LOL....  I gotta quit.

night.

Thanks for all you input. I am not sure what exactly is going to be done...but I have told her to run from the whole thing...easier said than done as I am not the one out the money and breeding.

And on the topic...does anyone have a good stud dog contract? I just got a call from a lady who used my dog and told me I owe her money!!!! I am taking a pup instead of stud fee and she says "I am selling them for more than the stud fee so you owe me if you want the pup"!!!! I don't understand people....and I am picking up my pup with empty pockets...lol.

Wow, Amy, those are some shady people dealing with you and your friend. Yes, usually a pup is worth more than a stud fee, but the convience of trading a pup is that you owe no money up front, and she should know that. To top it all off, you're a proven show/working home, she should be GRATEFUL that you want a pup from her breeding!

The stud owner is being equally unreasonable. Someone in our area? Your friend should out them so everyone knows to get it writing or be taken by a crook. What a shame for both of you.

BTW, how is my Booger doing? I miss his funny face, even though I don't miss him lifting his leg on my couch!

Booger is fine. His protection and obedience are AMAZING...which I knew already...but tracking is not his thing. Should be home soon!!!

As for the deals...I am taking the pup...at my loss as you stated. Some people all of a sudden thing they have a money maker when they have a litter of pups. This just irritates me to no end!!!

And the stud dog in question is a working line and in FL. I sure hope he can meet my friend half way on this. I think this would be the right thing to do.

Will I see you Saturday?

Yes you will! I have 2 pups to show.  I'm nervous, haven't shown a dog in a loooooong time- and to top it off, I'm handling both of them myself.  Should be interesting, try not to laugh when I wipe out.

As a stud owner, first of all I only accept the stud fee when service is rendered - ie at the time the female arrives for the breeding.  Sometimes, if I know the person, I get the stud fee when the female is confirmed pregnant or has puppies on the ground.  I guarantee at least one live healthy puppy.  If there is not one live healthy puppy, then the female owner gets a repeat breeding (and another, and another) until there is one live healthy puppy produced.  Another approved female can be substituted for the one that didn't take, or when available, another stud dog can be used for the same fee owed.  Because, if I am paid a fee for using my stud - that is paying for USING MY STUD.  He breeds the female, and sires at least one live healthy puppy for the fee paid.

The stud dog owner described has scammed the owner of the female.  He accepted the stud fee without any service rendered.  No breeding took place?  So that's like accepting money for a car for sale and then no car is given to the new owner.  It's called fraud.  I would explain to the stud dog owner what you want - either a breeding to a female that you paid for, or a refund of the entire stud fee.  If he refuses, then this is a free country, describe your experiences to the people who may be interested in using this stud dog, or buying puppies from this breeder - make sure people know your experiences with him and that he scammed you out of a stud fee.  Use names of the owner and the stud dog.  Make sure he knows he should have handled the deal a little differently, with honesty and integrity.  The dog world is small - people will not deal with a scam artist if they know what is going on.

That said, hind sight is 20/20 - my stud agreement is also verbal but I will write it down and sign it if requested - one live healthy puppy guaranteed for the stud fee.  Ask the stud dog owner what they guarantee for the fee, or find one that doesn't require payment until the female is confirmed pregnant.

molly

I wonder if I could make any money hiring out to settle these kinds of desputes the old fashion way...

Paladin, Paladin....LOL

Have gun Will Travel.....Two Moons new Motto:   Hang out your shingle  , Moon...

Number one;  you cant take money from someone without producing a goods of some kind....I hope she didnt pay in cash and has no receipt....

Number two:  If said female did not get preg the first breeding  , was he or she going to give you a repeat breeding.?  I would file on him in small claims court...doesnt cost that much for you to represent yourself and let the judge decide if your verbal contract was any good.....He may decide to grant you the breeding as you ask for...I would then go to him or her with a contract on paper and get it in writing....

Take a witness with you to discuss all of the options...never do this alone or without proof with a third party from now on....Nothing gained unless you persue it....Small claims court is different than judicial court and sometime the judges have a different prespective on cases like this.....

Let every one in town know when the case is to be heard and use his name and his dogs name and make sure it is out and public...he may change his attitude then...he owes you a breeding...or he shouldnt have take your money.