Looking to buy a Protection dog Help Please - Page 2

In a way Brittany is correct

A Trained dog is simply one extra barrier in a line of defense. Depending on the dog, the barrier can be easy  or easier, to overcome.

Most good burgalars or Felons can easily overcome a dog. Some use a hose, metal pipe,  pepper spray or a .22 with silencer

If you have to rely on a dog, its too late, if they really intend harm.

I expect a dog to give alarm.

My 12ga 3.5 in Shotgun is then Racked &  #2 Turkey shot is ready to tear flesh from bone.

Get a CCW permit & Shotgun for your home. Learn to use them, well.   A good alert,  alarm dog or security alarm is also recommended. 

PP dogs have their place, but I trust my wits & revolver,  over a dog, anyday.

Uglydog,

How the hell are ya?    I haven't seen ya post in a while.  

I prefer #4 buck in my riot gun.  

Nice to see your still around.

Hey there Uglydog :) I miss seeing your posts :) where have you been hiding?!??!

Did you hear about the 3 NYPD police detectives being acquitted on murder charges for shooting an unarm black man 50 times?

http://www.examiner.com/a-1359838~3_NYPD_detectives_acquitted_in_50_shot_killing.html

Our justice department is falling thru the cracks!

Brittany-  Believe it or not there are SOME not many but SOME regular people who have a real need for that extra added protection or peace of mind knowing they have a dog that will protect or at least do his damnest to protect his family if a serious situation came into place.  I have all the security you can imagine, cameras, security system, privacy fences, and 3 dogs.  If you've come to do harm and none of the above was enough to deter you or at least make you think twice about doing something crazy THEN we resort to the firearms.  Someone crazy enough to attack with a weapon such as a pipe or what not will do just as much damage to me as he could to my dogs.  IMO I think the dog would stand a better chance at defeat than I would in that case.  A dog can over power the largest of men, they know where to target the body to at least disesemble you for a moment; a human may not be so lucky to have that opportunity.

And quite honestly a good PP dog doesn't necessarily mean you need to take out a second mortgage IF you know who to deal with and where to go to not get ripped off.  All those fancy high priced ads and dogs are a JOKE IMO; just some "business person" banking on a high roller unschooled to come by and think that because he cut a check for 10's of thousands of dollars he got himself some killer security dog til someone who knows better comes along to break the news to him that he just bought himself a very expensive love muffin.

I'm a firm believer that a good dog well trained can be more than effective security and peace of mind than one would need BUT how many people really find themselves in a situation that is serious enough to go through the B.S. in not only investing in that type of security but then taking the time to get trained themselves to learn how to use it effectively???  It's not a security system you go to Sam's to buy, stick it on the shelf and leave it set for "just in case" but if necessary to have is well worth the investment and time.  I've established a new love and respect for these working dogs that I never would have taken the time to understand had I not been placed in a situation that forced me to invest in that type of protection.  I sleep VERY soundly at night, I worry about NOTHING when I need to go anywhere alone after dusk; I know my dogs will sense and hear anything unsualy to alert me in enough time to react accordingly.  Sometimes that is all you need.  Maybe it's a psychological thing???

Our local TV news ststaion just did a series on security and they claimed dogs were better than any security system. I would have to agree. I'm also a light sleeper, so the second my dogs bark I am awake. I also can tell by their bark as to the seriousness of the situation. I feel much safer knowing my dogs are outside and on patrol of the property. My nosy neighbors also think twice before coming to annoy me, LMAO!

People get jipped trying to buy a "personal protection dog" quite often it seems. We see stuff on here by unhappy buyers alot.
If you buy a personal protection dog and it comes out of the crate calm, wouldn't you think something was wrong? If the dog hasn't worked WITH you, then he's going to see YOU as a threat just as much as anyone else because he doesn't know you. Thus a TRUE personal protection dog you haven't spent any time with but purchased from another country or breeder/trainer WOULDN'T LET YOU LET HIM OUTTA THE CRATE. Common sense. He'd eat you alive just like you're wanting him to do to potential threatening strangers.

I fully agree with getting a dog who's past the puppy stages but still a juvenile (maybe 12mos old), bond with the dog 24/7, and start going to a good class YOURSELF after you and the new dog have a couple of weeks to get to know each other. Learn WITH your dog how to handle, control, and appreciate your dog.

German Shepherd Dogs by and large are NATURAL protectors. They don't need a bunch of expensive training for it. It's supposed to be built in. If you want a 'tougher' dog, go for working lines. Full West German Show lines don't usually produce ideal protection candidates-they're usually smooth and easier-going from what I've seen. But, there are exceptions to ANY rules.

I have a 16 mos old black female who has not had ANY personal protection training laying here in my front room with the kids-- if you came into my home uninvited, she would quickly convince you it was a very bad idea. She's not even fully mature, and she's not a male. She's my girl and she knows it, and our bond is tight. No training needed.

2 moons, Brittney..thanks for the well wihses. Nice to feel wanted.  Hope ya'll are well also.

Ive Been busy trading commodities, so not much time during the day, & working PSA some evenings, having a ball & making some progress.

Marie-(Agar) your house is the last Id want to break into.  Like me, Sounds like you have most bases covered. I also keep a gun within reach in about every room, out of childs reach. Video Cameras & Security system in my home,  Deadbolts, Glass block, & bars to secure any forced entry attempts .  I have a CCW, I carry & practice alot..Most of my neighbors regard me as a crazy Im sure, as Im often practicing with my Compound Bow in the back yard or showing off my various assault rifles to friends & others.

Back to dogs..If nothing else, an intimidating dog such as a GSD, Rott, Dobe, Pit... will easily convince a thug to try an easier mark.  For that reason, they are worth their weight in gold. If trained to overcome an assault or  challenge, even moreso.   But IMO, Wits is the key to survival.  Awareness, escape routes & some kind of defense mechanism..pepper spray, portable alarm, gun, knife, in addition to a dog.

Agreed that a  young 12mo-16mo dog might work well, then spend time at a PSA club & Train for realistic scenarios you might encounter..carjack, surprise assaults, multiple attackers etc

I would just never rely on a dog.  I have a friend that knows an X burgular. A Pro.  He overcame dogs all of the time. Course, homes were not occupied, so it was easy for him.  Worst case, a silenced 22 with subsonic bullets & Muzzle suppressor. Quiet & deadly, right  to the head.  I only share this with you so as not to present one with a false sense of security, not to be graphic.   I require that the dogs do their job, as a barrier to bark &/or attempt to intercept.  Then I do mine.   Rack, Aim & Fire. 

Shouldve seen the turkey I got last week. Very nice.  Those #2s, do a great job, even from 55 yards out. Nothing like a Fried turkey dinner.

hate to go on a rant but,

 how many of you have been in a HIGH stress shoot? barring fellow military persons or police officers i'd venture to say none. my wife is an exceptional shot at the range! would i trust her under a breakin/ robbery shooting in my house with my children in their rooms? hell no! ! ! i  would  trust my dogs to protect her and my kids though. if the would be robber has a silenced .22 or any other ''silenced'' handgun and kills my dog well my wife will have my shotgun and whatever happens at that point happens! but he was a determined induvidual and not your ''average'' home invader/burgalar. then again i don't have enough money to warrant such an invader coming to visit my house. most home invaders are looking for the ''easy'' target. like said by ramage, a loud dog making racket will probably deter them to the easier house down the street without a dog.  also like agar said a protection dog is a very nice piece  of mind, i feel my family is pretty secure while i'm away on training or deployment, then again i now own a 4pack of dogs!

sincerely kenny

Sounds great uglydog,  

I've got turkey hunters out the whazoo here this last week,  they come from the city and think that all the woods is government ground so they pretty much walk all over me.  Makes rappin off a clip all the more fun..:)  then you hear them walking backwards shuffling leaves so you know they ain't game.   You know half the time these guys can see the house from where they are sitting, and the dogs raise hell till I bring them in.   The locals know better and they always get a bird.   

I don't hunt turkeys mostly because of the ticks.    I'm already ate up with bites.

You know your all right KKR, katjo, agar, ramage.   People are getting ripped off with high priced so call attack dogs, protection trained and so on.  I've seen some really outrageous prices.   And a dog is great protection if only for the fact that they bark.  And sadly most people don't need a gun because they would either hurt themselves or thier loved ones, get it turned on them , or not be able to use it when the time came.  I'm not talking about everyone mind you but there are those you know I am right about.    I depend on my dogs for the alert and I am pretty sure they will defend my family, especially the wife and kids and especially someone entering the house.    I'm also sure my wife and boys would have no problem pulling the trigger.   You'd have to know me better to understand why.

Didn't we have this discussion not that long ago?

I hear they are trying to dig up some of the gun legislation again from the last assault bans list, high capacity clips was one I heard lately.   Its election time again..

Hey Ugly, are you a fan of Mike a

Opps,

got cut off.      Mike and the mechanics, silent running.    It popped into my head as I was reading your post..LOL