V rated working line males in the US? - Page 2

Jim hill's dog has produced some Sch 3 dogs that have V'd. Not sure of any from the Eagle dog.

 a dear friend of mine has this male that I like and plan to breed my bitch to:

http://www.vongrunheideshepherds.com/male_german_shepherd_dogs.htm

Zidane vom Haus Sevens  has produced  both  SG and V progheny

V-Eagle v Eichenluft Schh3,FH2,IPO3,KKl-1lbz, OFA Good - he has produced dogs with better structure than he, beautiful and excellent in the work, as well as excellent hip results including OFA Excellent.    none of the dogs mentioned have produced V offspring except for the ones who were bred in Europe before being imported (Zidane, Basco vd Luter) - in Europe the dogs are titled younger, bred younger, have older offspring and many more trials, conformation shows and judges - easier/more chances to get titles and V ratings on offspring than for stud dogs in this country.  If you wait until dogs in the USA have titled, V rated offspring before deciding to breed to them, you may very well miss out on a very good dog by waiting too long.  Look at the offspring even if it's untitled, not conformation rated (yet) to see what the stud is producing (or not) and take that into consideration, as titles/conformation ratings can be very difficult to come by in this country - does not mean the stud dog is not producing excellent progeny fully capable of titles/V conformation ratings.

molly

Eichenluft Working German Shepherds

http://workinggermanshepherd.com

OK I see Molly since titles are so hard to get people should get in line to buy from you. The fact is Eagle pups can not do the work . The next fact is almost 30 litters over a 100 pups some as old as 6 and nothing with a SCH title.

As  for titles being hard to get that is Bull while it does take time and dedication most newbies can do it wiht a good club and help. That is if the pup has the drive to do the work. Something that your pups are obviously not showing or you would have one titled and be posting it all over the internet.

Molly , I thought that the amount of pups your Eagle is producing he would have a pup or maybe 2 out of 300 get a title. But I may be wrong and my assumption that so called stud just may not have that in him.

Oh come on.  300 puppies?  I guess you didn't get through the counting part of pre-school.  Why don't you continue your research since you are so obsessed with Eagle and my program, and find out how many puppies he's actually produced.   Have you ever seen an Eagle pup work?  I guess not, because they do VERY well, as anyone who has seen them or have them in their clubs can tell you.   As I've said before, I don't CARE if you buy a pup from me or breed to Eagle.  I have no interest in selling a pup to someone like you, or offering Eagle to any female you own.  I have a waiting list for people who want Eagle pups, some have waited over a year and won't settle for anything else. 

He is on this thread because he is a working-line dog in the USA who is V in conformation and 25X Schh3, FH2, KKl-1 for life and an excellent example of a stud dog available in this country who CAN and HAS produced super offspring.  Anyone who is interested in him can contact me and get the proof in video, pictures, or contact info of trainers and owners who are working his progeny.

Let's find out what the other stud dogs mentioned have produced IN THIS COUNTRY - titled offspring?  V rated dogs?  I think not.  Yet.   And if the poster waits until they have before deciding to use such a dog in their program, it will be too late, the dog will be too old or deceased before the "proof comes".

Get a life, LAWoman.  Why don't you tell us about your V-rated Schh3 dog?  Or what he or she has produced?  How about what you have produced, titled, handled from your program?  Let's hear it.

molly

Gizmo vd Mohnwiese is V rated..  Nice looking Tom son..

Please don't hijack a thread where myself and others can actually learn something. I'm a big girl and I can do my own checking up without someone trashing someone else's dog.

Preston- that's the same dog that caught my eye on their site as well! Very dry, firm dog, beautiful topline, nice front.

Thanks you all so very much, keep the input coming!

Now, which of you is kind enough to throw out some quality lines one should get to know if they are trying to learn working lines? I know of a few dogs ( I had a great Yoschy grandson once) but not many.  Are there particular lines in which one must watch out for nerve, structure, hips, etc? Are there lines that produce more consistently than others?

And can we leave out bashing current dogs? I'm talking about the dogs current studs are being linebred on.

Jabina Haig is another dog that is V rated and a Tom son..

KCzaja, do you get SchH USA magazine?  In the Mar/Apr issue there is an article by Claudia Romard on training.  She and her husband have a kennel name of von Talka Marda, if I'm not mistaken.

The reason I mention them is because in that article they show three of their dogs that are both V-rated in conformation and V-rated in performance, and BSP dogs to boot. 

2002 V2 4xBSP Quaste von Ankenrutt - 2000 BSZS V85 is the female, Hektor and Javir are the males.  I believe Quaste is the mother of both of them, and that Javir was Universal Sieger in Germany.

So to make a long story even longer, it's possible to have a workling line dog that is V in conformation, and produces the same. 

Somebody correct me if I've bungled the facts - the coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

Yvette