PennHips - Page 2

I've wanted to ask this question many times but held back since PennHip has so many enthusiasts (rationalizing that my fears must be unfounded.  Can't help shuddering, though, every time someone says they're going with PH.

Isn't the dog's hip basically manipulated and extended to measure the degree at which dislocation occurs. The harder to dislocate, the better the hip......predicting a more favorable breeding prospect--yes......but....what of the harm inflicted on the tested dog?  His progeny will benefit. Will he? Once any joint has been dislocated, it's never the same.  Now....if I'm wrong, and PennHip doesn't dislocate the joint, I would really appreciate someone allaying my fears.....and will stand corrected and cringe no more.

I feel kind of stupid about my scrutiny... having typed *PennHip* when searching the messageboard and never reading anyone else having my concerns.....but, if I don't ask, I'll always wonder.

I did think the same until I really had a look at the website and the process . Australia has adopted Penn Hip as its method and they overall seem to be very progressive in vet research.  Wanda I really believe in researching a dogs pedigree(look at siblings to sire ,dam, grandam and grandsire) is as important as your dogs hips in general. When a dog is the only dog in the litter to have normal hips the genetics are very risky.

~~LMH-- Now....if I'm wrong, and PennHip doesn't dislocate the joint, I would really appreciate someone allaying my fears.....and will stand corrected and cringe no more.~~~~

This is incorrect-the joints are not dislocated-they are compressed and distracted.  I can send you PICS of the different views.  If I knew how to post PICS I would.  We have a lot of dogs done.  Just got back the PennHip on my 4 year old GSD female(just stareting her Heat cycle)-who is OFA Good-80th Percentile PennHip.

The Malinois we do have been getting very good DI's.  But we have only had 1 that PennHip and OFA agreed on-OFA EX and has the tightest DI in the Database-of all breeds(our vet looked it up:)

Vikki

some interesting pictures

http://www.pennhip.org/what_is_ph.html

[IMG]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/suden/xrays/zekespennhip006.jpg[/IMG]

I tried to post PICS but it did not work :( 

If someone would like to post them for me I'll e-mail them to you!!

Vikki

On your behalf suden:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/suden/xrays/zekespennhip006.jpg

Thanks Videx

That is the standard view-here are the other 2--

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/suden/xrays/zekespennhip002.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/suden/xrays/zekespennhip003.jpg

If you look at these you can see that Zeke's hips did not move very much at all:))

Vikki

Thanks for responding.  Sorry I took so long to reply.  Had some unexpected company.  Interesting note--while I cooked, they entertained themselves reading the threads. (LOL)

Vikki--I see David showed all you have to do is delete the IMG from the photo.  Type or paste from http:// to .jpg  (The photo is a nice, clear picture.  I would imagine that's the Hip Extended View..yes?)

I looked at the Distraction View at pennhip.org.  Out of socket is what I'm seeing with a layman's eye.  I need some more clarification on the term distracted.  Luxation--I understand.  Subluxation--I understand.  Distraction--I'm confused.  I just googled for info and the search brought me to www.thepetcenter.com  This line jumped off the page:  "The DI is an indicator of the "percent out of joint" that the femoral head is displaced from the acetabulum (socket)."

David---You said interesting pictures.  You don't get off that easy (LOL).  Spit it out, sir. I can't tell from your remark whether you're on the fence like me about that DI View image, or you're impressed with the quality and possibilities of the techniques. I have to read some more before my ignorance on this subject becomes any more apparent. (LOL)