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by steve1 on 07 September 2009 - 19:09
I do not see how any organization destroy a countries chances in such an high class event as the WUSV, that is plain stupid and a typical British attitude, Over here in Belgium we have two Parts the French speaking side of Belgium and the Flemish side of Belgium each hold there own qualifying competitions and each then put forwards there best entrants but they work it out between each other who will be best to get the results which is for the country not individual organizations
Two this year are from the French side the rest from the Flemish speaking part our part of Belgium so if we can do it why not the UK but as i said typical Brit stubbornness and stupid with it to jeopardies the countries chances, No one can be seen to be inferior to the other,
Steve
Two this year are from the French side the rest from the Flemish speaking part our part of Belgium so if we can do it why not the UK but as i said typical Brit stubbornness and stupid with it to jeopardies the countries chances, No one can be seen to be inferior to the other,
Steve
by svbc1 on 07 September 2009 - 20:09
STEVE1. EXCELLENT POST AND SO VERY CORRECT !!!.
by dsv on 07 September 2009 - 20:09
I believe it is all about EGO in the UK. And based on what ? because we are yet to really light up the world are we !
by steve1 on 07 September 2009 - 21:09
dsv
It is when different organizations cannot work together one has to be the king pin above all so no good comes of it the Sport or the WUSV is for the country not any one organization, Pride in a win for the country is what is paramount and the British are first class at being stubborn, i should know i am one no matter if i live now in another country or not, over 9 tenths of my life was in the country i was born in and i am a classic example of being stubborn but not at the expense of ruining chances for the people in a sport or my own ego and wants like we see here
Steve
It is when different organizations cannot work together one has to be the king pin above all so no good comes of it the Sport or the WUSV is for the country not any one organization, Pride in a win for the country is what is paramount and the British are first class at being stubborn, i should know i am one no matter if i live now in another country or not, over 9 tenths of my life was in the country i was born in and i am a classic example of being stubborn but not at the expense of ruining chances for the people in a sport or my own ego and wants like we see here
Steve
by nugget on 07 September 2009 - 21:09
I do not coment on Belguim's affairs- because I dont KNOW about them. What I do KNOW is that it is possible for the actions of individuals to impact in a very negative way on the situation in the UK- any perusal of the comments on certain threads on this board evidences this. Certainly, on an anecdotal basis, although I qualified this year I did not attend. I am in the sport for pleasure, and won't attend again until the current situation improves. I am aware that many of our more experienced handlers feel the same way.
Think that any analysis of the scores for UK dogs from GSDL present at the FCI would evidence that they scored somewhat less that the mean in the Selection Trials- and this is normal. Don't know if any of you have ever competed; I have, and the conditions at these events are difficult to simulate in UK. Don't think it appropriate to knock any competitors until you have "done it yourself".
What I will say that in the past one or two individuals form the UK have come close to pulling a genuinly good score and it will eventually happen. My own target was to get 270; it remains unachieved. Some day in the future I might make it. Sure someone else will.
Chris
Think that any analysis of the scores for UK dogs from GSDL present at the FCI would evidence that they scored somewhat less that the mean in the Selection Trials- and this is normal. Don't know if any of you have ever competed; I have, and the conditions at these events are difficult to simulate in UK. Don't think it appropriate to knock any competitors until you have "done it yourself".
What I will say that in the past one or two individuals form the UK have come close to pulling a genuinly good score and it will eventually happen. My own target was to get 270; it remains unachieved. Some day in the future I might make it. Sure someone else will.
Chris
by svbc1 on 07 September 2009 - 22:09
NUGGET ( CHRIS ). I appreciate your very fair views but it is the British Team that is in question more so than the individuals , I'm sure the more experienced workers on here also apreciate how difficult the conditions can be at the top level events which is even more reason why ONLY THE BEST DOGS AND HANDLERS SHOULD REPRESENT GREAT BRITAIN AT THESE EVENTS.
by nugget on 07 September 2009 - 22:09
Got no problem with that perspective at all- think this is ilustrated by by comments on other threads! :-)
OK by me to knock current daft system and those that advocate perpetuating it..........- I know what it feels like to come back a bit deflated and then to get a "good cyberspace kicking" though.....hardly motivational!
Cheers Chris
OK by me to knock current daft system and those that advocate perpetuating it..........- I know what it feels like to come back a bit deflated and then to get a "good cyberspace kicking" though.....hardly motivational!
Cheers Chris
by steve1 on 08 September 2009 - 14:09
I for one am saying nothing about individuals, Dogs, the people themselves or the scores they achieve,
All i am doing is comparing two bodies of so called people who are running a sport yet cannot work together for the benefit of its members meaning Nugget as one of those members nothing wrong in that
As i said Belgium is Two halves but they work together to produce the best team for the Sport.
After all it is the Sport which matters not individual organizations, if it did not then why are we all so interested in it
It is not for the egos of the people running the organizations, to work together one has to give a little and if they have the best interests of its members at heart then they should, and although i do not know the full ins and outs of it for my 10 cents worth the ones who should to give way would be the newest organization
Steve
All i am doing is comparing two bodies of so called people who are running a sport yet cannot work together for the benefit of its members meaning Nugget as one of those members nothing wrong in that
As i said Belgium is Two halves but they work together to produce the best team for the Sport.
After all it is the Sport which matters not individual organizations, if it did not then why are we all so interested in it
It is not for the egos of the people running the organizations, to work together one has to give a little and if they have the best interests of its members at heart then they should, and although i do not know the full ins and outs of it for my 10 cents worth the ones who should to give way would be the newest organization
Steve
by nugget on 08 September 2009 - 19:09
Hi Steve 1
For 10 years in the UK, far 2 much was given to one individual with an insatiable ego and his cronies. I understand that you know this individual, so may only have his version of events- but you are of course entitled to your opinion..
As a consequence,I really am not that concerned as to post, although if you took the trouble to attend our Nationals on the 24/25th October you will encounter dedicated, enthusiastic sports-friends, a very good and healthy atmosphere, a vibrant and forward thinking organization, very good dogs, super helpers and a world class judge. You will not note any inappropriate or undesirable behaviour. (this may be at odds with your perception of the situation in the UK)
. I am also very satisfied at the continued increase in our membership; often at the expense of the organization your associate dominates.
I am proud of the way our organization has developed in very difficult and testing circumstances. I am also content to pursue my sporting ambitions within its confines- so I think this debate with you has run it's course- unless you want to visit our National to see for yourself!
Good luck with your dogs
Chris b
For 10 years in the UK, far 2 much was given to one individual with an insatiable ego and his cronies. I understand that you know this individual, so may only have his version of events- but you are of course entitled to your opinion..
As a consequence,I really am not that concerned as to post, although if you took the trouble to attend our Nationals on the 24/25th October you will encounter dedicated, enthusiastic sports-friends, a very good and healthy atmosphere, a vibrant and forward thinking organization, very good dogs, super helpers and a world class judge. You will not note any inappropriate or undesirable behaviour. (this may be at odds with your perception of the situation in the UK)
. I am also very satisfied at the continued increase in our membership; often at the expense of the organization your associate dominates.
I am proud of the way our organization has developed in very difficult and testing circumstances. I am also content to pursue my sporting ambitions within its confines- so I think this debate with you has run it's course- unless you want to visit our National to see for yourself!
Good luck with your dogs
Chris b
by steve1 on 08 September 2009 - 21:09
Hi Nugget
No i do not know this individual you are talking about and why would i, so if you know who it is say his or her name and i will tell you if i know them
I reply because the system in Belgium is much the same as your own we have two parts but the difference is that they do not suffer from an ego problem and so they work together to get the best team to represent the country that is it
reading the posts it seems you have organisations who do not agree and do not work together, how can that benifit the members so that is an ego problem say what you will,
However The UK side is nothing to do with me and a guess it makes no difference at all to me the thread is there and i answered it,
Should i ever bring a Dog up to the standard required i would represent Belgium not the UK even though i am an Englishman
Steve
No i do not know this individual you are talking about and why would i, so if you know who it is say his or her name and i will tell you if i know them
I reply because the system in Belgium is much the same as your own we have two parts but the difference is that they do not suffer from an ego problem and so they work together to get the best team to represent the country that is it
reading the posts it seems you have organisations who do not agree and do not work together, how can that benifit the members so that is an ego problem say what you will,
However The UK side is nothing to do with me and a guess it makes no difference at all to me the thread is there and i answered it,
Should i ever bring a Dog up to the standard required i would represent Belgium not the UK even though i am an Englishman
Steve
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