Mac von der Kine Top GSD Import - Page 2

I own Mac, or he owns me, I don't know what statement is correct, but I have to say that I am lucky to have him in my life.  I enjoy him very much and I think he is one of the better specimens of the breed.  I have bred two females to him, and other people like Randy Tyson Witmer and Susan Doolong have also bred to him.  Tim Smith (DFItim) has met Mac on many occasions, has seen him work, and has seen puppies from him, so I think he is qualified to offer his opinion.  I have been fortunate to have a number of other good dogs in my life, and I believe Mac is special.

Ajay Singh

My point was that as a GSD pedigree database forum we should give respect to the breed that we all love so much. If a person makes an effort to bring in a top dog from Germany to improve the quality of local GSD'S shouldn't we be courteous enough to say thank you? To the person and the dog? There is nothing in it for me accept common courtesy. I love German Shepherds and think this dog is a dog that makes the breed better. If you like him fine what do you like about him if not at least say why so we can all learn and help the breed. I saw Mac at his home environment for the first time a few months ago and he was guarding the place like it was his. After Ajay introduced us we were like best buds. Mac would let me pet him and played ball with me. I next saw him on the schutzhund field where he did some bark and hold and bite work. The trial sleeve looked like a play tug in his mouth. All the helper could say was WoW incredible grip. As far as his progeny goes we have one of his 10 week old puppies at our club and Tucker is very impressive. Excellent drives and nice full grips on the puppy toys as well as good carries. I also got a chance to play with his newest litter because a few of the club members have purchased puppies and they are fantastic as well. I moved the tug on the sleeve around and the entire litter went after it and were carrying it together. These are going to be some nice dogs to watch in the future. Like I said before Thank you Ajay and Mac for improving the breed. Hopefully this site does not get to carried away with the negative bickering about the details of why someone says thank you.

Congratulations on the new purchase. USA needs good dogs and since AI in Germany or Czech is not an option (unless somehting has changed) this is an opportunity to see what this dog will do for the American breeders. To those who like to always comment on how the routine sucked.. well get yor asses out there and show me how you do it..
I never judge a dog based on a video.. I can make it pretty. But the real training dedication and experience shows with each next dog. It is freacking hard work to get those points going.

again congrats and dont let him bully you around.


No comment on anything else since I have not seen single progeny out of him.

Quote: My point was that as a GSD pedigree database forum we should give respect to the breed that we all love so much. If a person makes an effort to bring in a top dog from Germany to improve the quality of local GSD'S shouldn't we be courteous enough to say thank you? 

This has nothing to do with Ajay, or Mac.

If a dog is sold to the US, is it really a top dog ? Think about that for a moment. Just in general, not any dog or to any person. If the dog really is all that, then why didn't a German buy the dog to keep the bloodline in Germany to be used over and over and over ??

Lets stop talking GSDs. I know of several Mals, who according to the marketing, are One of EU's best ! ! ! Reality is they are a little above average, and didn't produce anything of any worth and were sold to the US, the vacuum of average dogs for the rest of the world. : P

We have been breeding dogs here in the US for over a century. We have had GSD's since probably the 1920's.  I wish all breeders great luck, but c'mon, you, the buying public are always going to go with a dog from EU, or a dog from a recent import from EU over anything else.

I hope that Mac is all that as a producer, and I especially hope that one of his puppies goes to a ring home.  That would be cool. However, I am not going to thank anyone, what are you, nuts ?

And, finally, come put on a suit, Basco is perfectly willing to scare the fuck out of you, and probably leave part of you bleeding. Esko welcomes you to our training field with open arms, and you will probably leave the field bleeding. We do not have that protective sleeve stuff here. LOL YOU will look like a toy in their mouths.

Jeff,
( I am discussing not fighting)
people in Europe dont always sell a dog becasue it is crap. That is your opinion and that is fine. I sold some VERY nice dogs to people because they became available for various reasons.

Why I will not breed to most of the dogs in the USA? Narrowed genetic pool... most people purchase the Legendary dogs or the progeny of these so called legendary dogs. Everybody wants to have Grim, Yoshy, Max and blah blah blah in the pedigree.. Well me for a change want a fresh blood, something we all can work with.

Another thing is how many American bred, titled, (breed surveyed) competed with dogs we have here. Hell do you have a dog you have bred, trained and trialed yourself? I dont know maybe you have.. and do you have a second generation that you bred, trained and titled yourself? Hell I am working on my first generation now so I have no room to speak myself. I had to go and get import because I have not found a SINGLE breeder in the USA who could show me consistency of breeding, training and titling for more than one generation. 

So yes I agree we should support our own breeders, when they support themselves with consistency to show for. I come from a country where we have pretty high standard when it comes to breeding. It could have changed since but I will stick with my philosophy, it has worked for me.

There is many more finished dogs with all sorts of different options in the pedigree make up, we do not have the need to breed to one dog over and over (as you said) we can pick and choose, dig through and compare. Some breed to the competiton dogs only, because there is market for it. Many however have 100ds of stud dogs to choose from in the radius of 300 miles. So hell one or two of those dogs should probably end up here because we NEED them.


Oh I think I am done ..lol


 

Another thing is how many American bred, titled, (breed surveyed) competed with dogs we have here. Hell do you have a dog you have bred, trained and trialed yourself? I dont know maybe you have.. and do you have a second generation that you bred, trained and titled yourself? Hell I am working on my first generation now so I have no room to speak myself. I had to go and get import because I have not found a SINGLE breeder in the USA who could show me consistency of breeding, training and titling for more than one generation.  

You have found one now!  Go look at my website and search under my kennel name, you will find many dogs from my breedings titled and competing at high level.  Just to name a few:

Chief vom Patiala (Competed at USA Nationals)
Count vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
Gamo vom Patiala (competed at USA NAtionals)
Eumah vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
Nick vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)

With time you will see more!

Ajay Singh

Well Ajay

I sure missed you when I was looking, now I know... see I am learning every day.

Most of the good breeders understand that too much inbreeding is not good, it is no secret, but just to breed to a less desirable dog to avoid inbreeding is not good either.  I have linebred to Fero, Troll, Mink, and Grief but was lucky enough to miss some of the reported bad effects of inbreeding.  It is almost impossible to avoid inbreeding on Fero in 5th generation but I have not seen any ill effects in my breedings. 

Jeff, it is not true that Americans only get bad dogs from Germany, the truth is that "dumb dog owners and handlers" never get a good dog from good breeders.  I won't sell a good puppy to a person where my dog has no future, and keep in mind, good breeders always have choices.  I was lucky to get Jilnannah vom Talka Marda from my friends Horst and Michaela Knoche, and if you are not aware, three dogs from this breeding (Javir, John, and Jenna) competed multiple times at the BSP.  Jilnannah and I competed at the USA Nationals in Davenport, Iowa (Mystere was in attendance).  Jimbeam got hurt when he was young but has been bred multiple times in Germany.  Jarek competed in South Africa, and Justin was a PSH3 dog, and a working police dog.  Three of Jilnannah's daughters went back to Germany, and I could have sold more puppies in Germany but it is a pain in the butt to send dogs to Germany.

Yes, you are definately entitled to your opinion, just like anyone else on the list but with experience you will find out that there are good dogs competing in every sport, schutzhund, french ring, mondio ring, whatever, you just have to find them, and don't forget - a good breeding program starts with a good bitch.  I like Mac and will continue to use him in my breeding program, and leave it up to other breeders to choose who they like.

Ajay Singh