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2 THINGS: Fast her from food and crate her away from you.

For 1-2 whole days do not give her any food at all. The only thing she gets is water and potty breaks other than that leave her in the crate. The crate also must be in a room away from you. What you are trying to achieve here is desire to be with you and make her a hungry girl.

After the fast take her out and try some very simple basic obiediance with her, for the food. By this time she should be quite hungry and ready to do the work. Very important--she gets the equilvalent to her meal just from you through training. This usually works on almost all dogs. If not repeat it a few times maybe not feeding her for 2 1/2 days.

2 things should begin to happen very quickly the dog after being crated away from you should now be begging for your attention. And should be wanting food like a hoover wants carpet lint. If not then yes place the dog in a nice home and get a dog that posses the drives you desire.

VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: Please do not starve your dog to death that is not the goal. Also note this is not a fast from water please water your dog plenty. Feed normal amounts of food to your dog just simply through training. Simple the dog doesn't eat unless its from you in training! 

Kelly I have had pups have a bad experience to collars or leash by accident and make a association with them. Maybe somehow your pup has done that. What has worked for me was to go do something fun everyday around the same time. They love their walks in the woods, so if they wanted the walk they had to put on the collar and /or leash for just a few minutes then free dog. Soon they were looking to stick their head in the collar excited to get going. You might try the liver too, I am sure not all dogs think its to die for but my dogs love liver anything. I don't think it would hurt her to miss a meal but I personally couldn't do it for a whole day or two, I'm just to soft I guess. Hope you get her past this, I can tell you really like her.

Kelly,

I recently found a new treat that gets all my pups (and adults) attention, they are Wellness Well Bites Beef & Turkey.  They are soft chewy 1" squares that I tear apart into quarter pieces (kinda expensive).  I get their full attention when they smell them and I have treated with lots of different choices including freeze dried raw meat niblets.  One other treat that does get their attention is a product by www.gooddogfood.net by AFS raw meat diets and is a beef niblet (raw frozen).

I had a few pups that were the same way and these 2 treats seemed to motivate them well.  Also, if you are adverse to withholding food for a period of time, at least make sure you are training in the morning before you feed her the first meal.

Best of luck with your pup,

Lorna

Do you think maybe the dog has trained you to quit. It is a likely possibility the way you have stated her drives. If so she is very smart for a young one.

First thing, you never mentioned how old this puppy is, and second are you getting attention when you are at home in a familiar environment?

My male is super super drivey, he's got awesome food, and toy drive, but when we are somewhere new, he wants to check everything else out!  He'ss 11 months old.

You need to clarify where you are trying these training behaviors before you can honestly follow any real advice.

My male will always take the food, but in a new place asking for attention is like ya what ever!  He'll eat the bite and on about what he was interested in, we are taking things bit by bit and a little at a time!

As for building drive for the toy, and I think I read above that someone tested the puppy and she chased the tug, if this is the case, BUY Ivan's DVD Obedience Without Conflict!  He teaches the game in this video, and I still watch this from time to time even after I have titled my female to a SchH3 and train often with Ivan.  If you don't have this DVD you are really missing out if you are one to steer away from excessive compulsion.

If the puppy is not taking food from you at home, in her familiar environment, then you are probably feeding her too much at her meals.  I often use kibble (Royal Canin they are nice a big) as treats when I was working with my male for attention.  I carry a fanny pack around with food and when he comes, or shows me what I am looking for, he gets a bite, then at dinner, he gets less, that way he sees that the food comes from me when I ask something of him, and he's not turning into a rollie pollie puppy!

If you are trying to get attention away from home, which it sounds like since you have her on a leash, but I am just guessing, you are going to have to take things little by little, and either always have food or a tug with you.  Sounds like she is bored, you must make you the most fun thing in her world, don't allow her to have toys hanging around the house, and if she is living with and playing with other dogs, you may try to separate them for a while and again her only fun comes through you.

My female was much easier because I have had her since she was 10 weeks old, she has tremendous attention to me, but when we are somewhere new she is still checking things out!

I often forget that my male is a baby, he is 11 months old and almost 90 pounds, he is going to be a big boy, but I forget and will get frustrated with him when he is not paying attention, then I check myself and remind myself, his attention span is very short he's young in that big ole head of his!

Best of luck to you, if you don't have the Ivan video it's a great investment!  Also I think there is a good video out there from Bernard Flinks that is called "building drive" I think it's a Leerburg video, one of the few have found to be informative. ~ Kari

Had one of these pups.

Pups are curious. Don't know how old she is but...

I know of one way to get the prey drive going. Pierce a tennis ball from pet store, push a small rope thru. Then, jog away from pup dragging this ball. She will go nuts.

If still not motivated take pup to vet and tell him she is just not acting like should.

I would not starve dog for one to two days for motivation. All pups need to eat. And they will be starving in about 6 hours.

She may just need some self confidence. Some more affection, rubbing of the ribs ect. Find a nice suede tug and just tease and back up. That may give her confidence to want to play more.

Hope all goes better for you.

No turkey gravy  ...bad habit .......kennel this pup 30 minutes before any training or work     away from you    get two balls with strings or ropes and start the ball from one side to the other.......short little throw outs......tease with tugs..

I suggest you leave the leash off for a while    you dont need to take her anywhere,,,,,,,,,,it you do   take her to an enclose tennis coourt or other places  not associated with balls or tugs....take the leash off......build her drives with running thr u woods   ,

try a long thin cotton leash    let it drag behind her   dont u hold it ,,,,,try the different things ,,,with you being high and goofy.....work on those things and not obedience.......hide from her behind trees....at home or in woods....,,,with long web leash on her in case you need to grab it...

I think this dog need kenneling......if you dont see some result quickly in a week or two......no schutzhund candidate......if you havae to spend hours trying to get a ball drive or food drive intact...you will be exausted trying to get any farther....and will probably never get there...obedience her and buy a pup that has been tested from an experienced schutzhund trainer.....Hope all this works out...

Kelly,

Had a real hard time getting my girl to focus too.  Even at the breeder's puppy class the trainer could not get her attention.  Google "Nothing In Life is Free" training.  After a couple of weeks of this, she now focuses like a lasar!  And when they say nothing it means nothing!  If she needs to go out, she does a command, food is given from my hand, never a bowl and only while training.  Attention and petting is only given when she does a sit or platz.  She needs to know that every good thing in her life comes from you.

Good luck!

I'm curious as to what made you consider this pup.. the pick of the litter?? Have you tried reading Ruff Love by Susan Garrett or building Blocks for Performance by Bobbie Anderson?? I love these 2 when I have a new pup like now!!

She really has to believe that everything good comes from you.. you haven't given her age or told us what kind of stuff you are doing, so we can all throw things out there til the cows come home so we all need to know more...

Sorry guy's,

She is out of my litter, and has gone after the tug since she was 9 weeks old. She is still a puppy to me, but she just turned 10 months old. I could be giving her to much food, that could be why she's not interested in hot dog's, or raw satin balls. I do all the training at home, and she could be distracted with the other dog's, but I've taking her to another location, and I just couldn't get her eye contact. She is very, very, smart compared to other dog's I have owned. She also can be bull headed as well. Everyone has given me very good advice, and I just want to thank everyone. I am not going to sell her if she can not do schutzhund. If she can't do that sport it doesn't mean I won't be able to show her, or title her in anything else. I do have another puppy/dog that can do schutzhund, so to me if the dog can't do it doesn't make that dog horrible and just pet quality. You just have to find something else that the dog is very good at. I can't do the no feeding for 1-2 day's, it's to hard for me to do that. I will how ever give her less food, and train her before she gets fed. I really hope I can snap her out of this. I will also make it a game when she is on the leash, and try to not be serious.

Thanks Everyone!!!!

Kel