Question for Ajay Singh and Other Reputable Breeders

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by gsdlvr2 on 31 August 2007 - 15:08

In my experience the dam does contribute more to the pups and not only in the nurturing and raising aspect. A strong mother line is very important. I have wondered why the mother line is not emphasized more. I suppose it's the studs job to be promoted and get breedings while the dam's job is to make puppies after she is titled etc. And that is why you hear more about the studs-broader audience. I look very closely at the mother line when selecting my dogs. I have one dam in particular that I could breed to a monkey and get pups going to the BSZS. I'm kidding of course but her influence is so strong and her puppies are great. She has been bred to some of the top studs out there and the pups just seem to take after her more. She's recently been bred to another VA dog...so..we shall see if this pattern continues. Some combinations do seem to be more equal in the result seen in the pups where you see more of a 50-50 type result but even in those breedings, the mother seems to contribute more.

by tangogsd on 31 August 2007 - 17:08

But, then as a reputable breeder with a stud dog - do you restrict, based on your qualifications, the females that you will breed your dog to?

If so, what are the minimum qualifications that you personally have for a "qualified" female?

by eichenluft on 31 August 2007 - 17:08

Yep for sure, I am very very picky about females I will allow my male to be bred to. Because A) I want quality puppies and the female is a big part of that - no matter how great the male is he will not make up for or cover up for the faults/weaknesses of the poor quality female. Poor quality female = poor quality puppies, no matter the male. But if there are poor quality puppies, the male will be blamed, because noone ever seems to remember the female when noticing how bad (or how good) the offspring are.

molly

by SchHBabe on 31 August 2007 - 18:08

I'm waiting for the day that we get a "Brood Bitch" ad section where top females get the limelight, and stud dog owners have to pay a fee for the right to breed to these magnificent females. LOL

Ok, maybe that's a bit of a stretch, and it's clear why we have the system we do now, but I think it's just a "macho" image complex that gets some people all hung up about a stud dog.

Stud dogs can "contribute" more to the breed as producers in the sense that they could be bred hundreds of times, potentially. A good producing brood bitch might produce only a handful of litters in her life.

Don, I also get a chuckle when I see that ad. The same male has been featured for years now it seems, always "A National Competitor in the Works" - when do you suppose he'll get his 2? I dunno. Might be a super dog, but the ad is a wee bit over the top. LOL

by 4pack on 31 August 2007 - 19:08

Just think about it...Who sends their bitches to ho hum studs? Why s it OK to breed ho hum females? I see so many people with this mentality. She has a uterus, lets breed her. If we find the right male the pups will turn out good. Yea right! I wish so many of the females being bred were spayed, they have nothing to offer besides a uterus and nipples to feed a litter with. I find the female more important to the breeding, but the great breedings are the ones with both exceptional parents. Lackluster dogs of any sex are a dime a dozen and have no purpose in a breeding kennel/program.

by G-burg on 31 August 2007 - 22:08

Is it really always the females fault? Somehow that doesn't seem right.. Especially if you have a strong sound bitch...

by 4pack on 31 August 2007 - 22:08

I would say, nothing is the females fault, or the males either. Everything is the "breeders" fault. The dogs don't make the choices, we as people do.

by gsdlvr2 on 31 August 2007 - 23:08

No,it's not always the females 'fault' anymore than it's always the males 'fault'. Breeding is tricky and you do your best to select good parents. It depends on the particular sire and dam. In general I believe,in my experience, that the dam contributes more. This is by no means a hard and fast rule. Some combinations work, some don't even when you have selected the best you can for what you are breeding for . Some sires are quite a bit more dominant in the progeny and some are not and some seem more equal. Ideally you get the best of both. Does this always happen? no. If only it was that simple. 4 pack said it quite well ****lackluster dogs of any sex are a dime a dozen and have no purpose in a breeding kennel/program**** I can only add to that ,this includes any dog/bitch regardless of titles and pedigree ,even if it poops gold bricks, has at best a limited purpose in my opinion if it does not reflect the standard. Are there exceptions? of course. Should it be common to make exceptions? IMO no, it should not. I don't care what a dog looks like on paper, they should represent the breed. Color is icing.

by DannyJ on 31 August 2007 - 23:08

I think another thing to add to this as long as we are talking percentages. I believe a stud or female can add more to the breeding by their individual bloodline. If a male is very tightly linebred on a bitch or stud that was a strong producer or consistently produced a particular trait, I would think in that case the male could have more of a genetic influence on the litter. And of course vice-versa.

Of course the female is very important, I think when you have a strong bitch to start with, you are well ahead of the game. Its easy enough to take your good bitch to a good stud, but finding the "good" bitch in the first place is not an easy task.

by Pia on 01 September 2007 - 00:09

a good producing female is worth her weight in gold ;))

Pia

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