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by ALPHAPUP on 22 June 2011 - 12:06

let's not be judgemental - or should we ?? .. que sera sera ...in some countries cows are sacred .... we slaughter and eat cows !! but if you know the animal is going to be killed and eaten and you value that animal ... then you have you no conscience as to forbid you from going against your values .. !! within humanity there are saints ... then there are those that would kill an animal at risk of having it become extinct ..e.g elephants , gorillas etc .. again .. no conscience .. we are supposed to be on a higher evolutionary level than animals .. or are we ??

by Abby Normal on 22 June 2011 - 17:06

AlysonR
Yes, that would worry me too, I was thinking that just last night. How many pups can make a top show grade?

Let's be blunt, China has gone in for GSDs and Sieger Shows in a huge way, BUT, they are buying in the dogs as a commodity, and for a very specific purpose, what happens to that commodity when it no longer has any value? Their interest is not born of an inherent love of the breed, nor with years of owning and developing the breed. They just buy in the latest winners to play with. In respect of the highly prized (at the time of purchase, because they are winning TOP honours) highly priced dogs they are buying in.....can I imagine these dogs in their twilight (non productive) years dozing in front of the fire in happy retirement as a well loved companion? Try as I might, I cannot, I REALLY wish I could.

YorkJason, that image in my head is going to haunt me for a long, long time. Those that export and pocket huge sums of cash apparently don't feel the same way. Is it denial or is it just greed?

by eichenluft on 22 June 2011 - 18:06

I have sold pups to and know Chinese (and Korean, Indian and etc) people (living in the US and American citizens) who truly love their dogs and take the very best care of them possible. But would I export a dog or puppy to China, or any other country that has the culture they do regarding animals? No, not, never, not for any reason or amount of money, period.

molly

by windwalker18 on 23 June 2011 - 04:06

True with Dogs AND horses as well... Ferdinand... Derby winner, and Horse of the year... died in Japan in a slaughter house without anyone contacting his breeder in the US, who would have gladly paid to have him shipped back. He stood @ stud for a few years and when breedings stopped bringing in the bucks... he was killed and used for meat. It makes me shudder... and word that my favorite show line male was just sold to China (Schicco) breaks my heart.

by lovejags on 24 June 2011 - 05:06

MY GOD ! ALL THIS MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH . PICTURE YOUR OWN DOG WITH A TIN MUZZLE BEING PUT ON IT'S FACE, WAGGING IT'S TAIL FOR A KIND WORD OR A GENTLE PAT ON THE HEAD AND THEN BEING SKINNED ALIVE! I CAN'T STAND THE THOUGHT.

by Vixen on 24 June 2011 - 11:06

Cultures of animal attitudes and care vary greatly in different Countries. Some dogs who have been discarded, have also been rehomed by people of those Countries who do care. However, all any of us can do (I am not a Breeder) - is to do our utmost best to ensure and safeguard the welfare and future of any dog within our personal care.

Like others here have mentioned that description has filled me with horror, and an ache in my heart. I support certain organisations that are helping animals (both pets and wild) in various ways. Either to rescue, and also to bring a better awareness for their protection. However, I am not burying my head in the sand, as I am very, very sadly aware of the cruelty that does exist, but I cannot look at their newsletters - I find them far too emotionally upsetting. Thankfully, we have people in organisations that are able to deal with these situations on a daily basis. I applaud them.

Why humankind is prepared and willing to mistreat vunerable people or animals (pets and wild), with horrendous cruelty, without any compassion, is beyond my understanding.

Regards,
Vixen

by Abby Normal on 24 June 2011 - 18:06

Good post Vixen. I too receive newsletters from the organisations I support, depending on my state of mind at the time I sometimes feel able to read them, other times not.

I agree, that abuse of people and animals is beyond comprehension. I could never in a million years export a dog to a country like this, with no animal welfare legislation, and a future fate unknown. Even the government stepped in to stop the export of greyhounds to China, as their fate when they didn't win or became too old was horrific (as it sometimes is in our allegedly more 'enlightened' countries).

Top GSDs are willingly being exported to China, with it seems, not a care as to what may happen to that dog in the future (and it's so unlikely to be good), more with a care to the money in the hand. There has been some speculation about the situation of some dogs already exported to China, but the facts are hard to establish - so it just remains speculation, but worrying.

I just can't understand how anyone could do it.

by Donald Deluxe on 25 June 2011 - 01:06

LOL at this thread and all the phony, self-righteous moralizing going on. You people might as well contribute $500 a year to PETA; you'd be supporting them less by doing that than you are with your ridiculous comments here. Millions of unwanted dogs euthanized every year in the USA, thousands of horrific animal abuse cases prosecuted, tens of thousands more never uncovered or reported - but the Chinese are the bane of the dog world?

Several years ago there were a couple of Chinese GSD importers and breeders on this site who could rebut this foolishness, but apparently they grew tired of the constant barrage of xenophobia and ignorance. So I'll say it for them: some rich Chinese industrialist who drops six figures on a dog is no more likely to turn the dog into soup or a fur coat than a rich industrialist anywhere else in the world.

by Gustav on 25 June 2011 - 02:06

Is this practice similar to race horses that when no longer useful are sent to packing houses for food and glue here in the U. S. Again maybe not the top, but the ones that don't make it....I saw this on Sixty minutes....maybe i am mistaken....couldn't be.

by windwalker18 on 25 June 2011 - 06:06

From WIkipedia:

"Ferdinand (1983–2002) was a Thoroughbred racehorse who won the 1986 Kentucky Derby and 1987 Breeders' Cup Classic. He was voted the 1987 Eclipse Award for Horse of the Year.

He entered stud in 1989 and was later sold to a breeding farm in Japan in 1994.

Much to the outrage of many horse racing enthusiasts, reports indicate that in 2002 Ferdinand was sent to slaughter in Japan with no fanfare or notice to previous owners. He likely became either pet food or steaks for human consumption.^[1] Ferdinand's death was the catalyst for the Ferdinand Fee, an optional donation program to fund keeping old racehorses alive, and Friends of Ferdinand, a nonprofit group formed in 2005 with the goal of transitioning retired racehorses into second careers."

Can't get much more top of the line than horse of the year.... and yet...

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