Pit Bull attacks Baby - Page 2

SchHBabe,

I agree.   Any dog that was bred specifically to fight has no place in society as I see it. 

There are so many pitbulls in the shelter in our neighborhing county that sometimes, you think that the shelter is a Pitbull, American Staffordshire Terrier shelter ONLY. 

So many kids in the projects around here ask for and seem to be getting pit puppies as gifts lately.  I cannot fathom the thinking of the parents.  "Yeah, little Jo-Jo's been wanting a pit so, I'm gonna go to that there man down the street and get 'im one for Christmas".

Yeah, while you're at it, why don't ya stop at the local gun shop and pick him up a Glock.  He might need it one day...when that oh-so well bred puppy turns bad.

olskool, although you are exactly right in every word. Do you notice the change in the thread after you posted about being level headed about thinking? You get all the boo hooers crying about the pit breeds again.

Some of  you are so narrow minded, your brain must be dying for some blood flow. Oh well, I know there is no room for another breed other than the GSD right? Yvette, the breed didn't come about for the dogs to fight in a "pit". Research the breed.

I'm done trying to explain how your way of thinking is going to cut you off at your own knees one day. And whats most horrible, is that you people are supposed to be "dog" people. Whatever, when the pit bull and Rot and then the GSD are not breedable by the public anymore, I don't wanna hear your crying asses then. Keep it up, you all seconds away from mass hysteria. I'm never mentioning anything on the pit threads again. Why should I? I don't even own one of them. 4 GSD's, that's what I own!

I'm sure I'll get the question...if pits are so great why don't you own one? Simple, I just don't at this time. My kennels are full. However if I chose to in the future, I'd like to still have that right.

4pack,

I understand what you're saying and am not intending to bash the breed in general but, the breeders that are breeding "for the fighting dog" only and not for correct confirmation, proper, sociable temperament; a stable dog that can interact with family, other pets, etc.  I'm not saying we don't have some bad tempered gsds out there or that there are people breeding for the extreme temperament in them also but, there are SO many breeders of pits breeding "just" for the fighting dogs that it has saturated the neighborhood, at least in my area with crappy, untrustworthy "type" pits.  It's so sad to see all of these dogs on death row. 

I am a dog person and do love all breeds but, to see the degeneration of a breed because of people that just want that "cool" dog because he can rip another dog or person up, I just don't see it.  I'm sure there are some breeders out there breeding for the things the original pit was meant for but, they are few and far between. 

I do not know enough about the breed to be putting it down and am not, just the irresponsible breeders and the parents that are feeding those breeders. 

A friend of mine has had two awesome pits and they are the sweetest dogs but, she did her research before she bought them.  She didn't buy them with the intention of fighting them.  She doesn't keep them chained or perpetually confined.  They have been properly socialized and continue to be supervised when allowed around children, etc.  She's doing it right.  So many are doing it wrong.

I am totally against BSL for ANY breed.  There IS room in society for every breed; but a breed bred JUST TO FIGHT has no place.  My honest opinion only.

I think we need to be careful how we state things. Say that a dog who was bred to 'fight' shouldn't be allowed in society, sounds very close to the people that say that dogs that are bred to 'bite' shouldn't be allowed in society. Think about it to the average person in the puplic that has no knowledge of dogs or training, it would seem like a dog bred and trained to fight other dogs would sound safer that a dog bred and trained to bite people.

Readers Digest did a very good fair article on pit bulls. They hit on some very important points.

1 When dogs were originally bred for the pit, if they showed aggression towards humans they were killed.  Now if the dog shows human aggresion they lead it to the pit with two chains instead of one.

2 After the person has bred a litter for aggresion has picked the 'best', they sell the rest cheap. The uninformed person, who did no research, that buys one of those pups has no idea what they are buying. I am sure that the person selling would lie through their teeth if asked questions about parents and breeding.

3 Many of the reported pit bull attacks are commited by dogs that are not pits. Granted a lot of them are half breeds, but many have no pit blood. The news media wants to sell papers, so it had to have been a pit.

 It wasn't long ago that it was still legal in Virignia to fight dogs. I was talking to a Virginia fighting pit breeder that was in the bay area visiting. He said that the pits he saw here  scared him. They were dangerous junk that should all be shot. He said that if any dog he had showed aggresion towards his kids or their friends at any time, he would kill it. In his mind there was no room for human aggression.

A breeder/trainer of English Springer spanials had been asked by a family to availuate their dog. She told them that this springer was going to do serious damage to someone it they didn't immediately get control of it. The family said there was no way their dog would hurt someone, she only was exited and wanted to play. Two weeks later the dog put a young boy in ICU. There was not one blurb about it in either the local paper or television. The breeder/trainer called the local paper to find out why it wasn't reported. They told her it a pit bull attack so it wasn't news.

Ahh, someone who understands and is not just bias or "racist" (that is exactly what it is, racisism of a certain breed).

Folks, I have said this numerous times; REAL dog fighters (not ghetto/Mike Vick type fighters) CULL dogs for human aggression. It is inherently against the genetic make-up of a Pit Bull to have human aggression. I just do not know why it is so difficult for some to get this.

But to that, we have to take Olskool's knowlegable opinion. Losers breed more dogs than the real pit fighters. Loser BYB of Pit Bulls do not cull. I do believe that the majority of BYB Pits would still do well with proper ownership. So the problem (like always) is the human. The humans who breed shit and unfortunatly losers are attracted to bull breeds. We humans have fucked up every breed at some point to some extent (can anyone say Dysplastic?) Only though education and dedication by those who love the breed can it be fixed.

I posted this because right now the Pit Bull is in the spotlight again. The only way to abolish the fear is through education. Unfortunatley people can only learn when they are open to it. I challenge every person; the next time you make a statement about being dangerous or inherintely bad/aggressive, or "having no place in society, replace the breed of dog with a race of people. Do these statements make sense under this context? The racists on this board need not comment.

I think the US has done a tremendous job in helping you explain your point.  It is called profiling.  Terrorists are Middle Easterners, so we will go after and keep an eye on all who look the part. 

Would you rather, every time a pit mauls a kid, have the media call it just a "dog"?  That way everyday on the news we can hear about how a "dog" killed or mauled a three year old girl.  People can then say all "dogs" are the same and they are all equally bad.  We are talking about a sub-species of canine, not a race of human beings.  There is a big difference there.  Do races of humans determine what their breeding goals are?  I know when I met my wife, I didn't look at her and think, "Wow, she could really improve my patience, math skills and working ability." 

I understand that if you let people ban a breed, the next breed will be even easier if the door was already open. 

Maybe that law in California wouldn't be a bad Idea after all.    I know it wouldn't cure everything, but at least the amount of morons breeding and selling dogs would be down.

Mandatory spay/neuter would just push these morons farther underground and harder to spot. They definately would not stop breeding and fighting their meal tickets.

Well that would stop the other morons who buy dogs from the local paper and don't know what the hell they are buying.  It would at least make the people research where and who to get the dog from.  Anyone that will do that research, I would hope would know what they are getting.

just my opinion--but i do think something should be done.....no ---not out-lawing them completly or killing them all, but it seems to me that something like the papers you have to fill out to buy a handgun....they should all be registered(not purebred registered but just owner registered)..background checks on people who own them...if you have a record--just like your not allowed deadly weapons/guns/-you would not be allowed a pit.....i know this won't stop all the a-holes, but i think it would help weed out some, what low-life is gonna go to the police station and fill out papers for a dog when he most likly has a warrent out for his arrest?   and the police officers would need to be allowed to stop anyone with one and ask to see their dog license. breeding should be illegal unless done this way also, breeders couldn't sell unless buyer had papers first...sooo, those of you who actually take care of your dog, do the right thing with your dog , and are not career criminals---would actually benifit from this, get rid of the bad owners and maybe eventually one day your breed will have it's good name back.....