Pink Papers and Tattoo's - Page 2

Your the expert....I have SV Pink papers from a litter whelperd here. Teh breeding was donte in Slovakia.  No point in debating. I suggest he contact the breeder. I have no motive to misrepresent this. Maybe a German breeeder or others will chime in. My current male was whelped here and I recieved papers  from Litichu Kennel in Slovakia. They are Slovakian SV Pink papers with no menetion of the US. How do you explain that?  The German situation was 20 years ago so I do not recall any mention of US but they were SV Pink papers. Westdog you can e-mail me. I really dont wish to debate theis in cyberspace with an individual I dont know.  He is conviced...so be it.

Somewhere on your "Slovakian SV Pink Papered Pedigree".....the breeder name and address should be located on them......what does that read???   EVERY litter that we have had...German bought....German bred.....born in the USA...is only registerable with AKC.

UScA does have their own form of registery...but again, it is not the registry of the SV.

We have also had females bought and bred in Denmark....the same thing applies........friends in Germany have "leased" our American bred/born females....those litters born in their country, had their country's registry.

Maybe another kennel...somewhere in... as you said..."cyberspace"...has had the same  "rare registry" as you have......I would love to learn more.........never too old to learn something new.

Hello cr...I dont read slovakian but toward the bottom it says  " verbage then   "Export Anerkennung fur Export ungultig"

Pink papers with FCI stamp WUSV stamp and Slovakian Jednota. stamp. . They were recieved from slovakia in about 6 months. 

To register him for breeding it is essential to file these papers with the AKC. That I understand. The first step is recieveing them.  That seems to be the issue here.  Was the poster defrauded  is the question.

BTW Jantie....great website!!!!

I  don't read any language other than English........maybe someone can translate that paragraph?

But I'm still interested in the "Breeder's name & address" that is listed on the front of the pedigree.  I guess I'm just one of those "visual" type people.....I need to actually see something to understand it.

Never heard of this before.....from anywhere...so I'm very interested in all the facts.

Puppies are issued papers by the country that they are born in!  It doesn't matter where the bitch was bred.  The only thing I can think of is the kennel who owned the bitch sent her here to whelp, but registered the pups in Sloviakia.  Are you sure the pups were born here??

I don't think that is actually legal, but whatever.  Since they check the litters in Germany, there is no way they would be able to falsify the registrations.

West Dog,

Your pup's dam was bred in Germany - if you google her name you will see that she was owned and bred by the imported who sold her to the kennel where she whelped.  Due to the length of time it can take to get things through the AKC, there are several reasons you have not received your pups paper.  You can check with the AKC to see if the dam has been registered yet, because this has to happen prior to the litter being registered.   Also they have to submit DNA and this is taking 8 weeks  (I had this done in May).  If for some reason there was a hold up with any of the paperwork from Gemany then it can really take a long time.

On imported pups I have gotten their foreign papers sometime aafter they were 6 months.  A pup I had from imported parents was almost a year before the paperwork was finally straightened out.

One noteworthy item--I BELIEVE that pups in Germany have to be tattooed by the breed warden in Germany and looked at a certain number of times from the time they are born until the time they are tattooed, PRIOR to getting the pink papers.

Any puppies born in the US receive US AKC registration, not SV pink papers, unless someone's paying someone to keep their mouth shut and just say they looked at and tattooed the puppies (each breed warden has their own tattoo letters, followed by the number of puppies they have tattooed). If that's the case, it's certainly not condonable (ithat's a new word...lol), and definitely not something to be proud of or advertising as legitimate.

Of course, if I am wrong, my sincerest and humblest apologies. I agree with crhuerta and silbersee.

As far as the original poster goes, I would tell you to contact Sabine at the SV (she speaks English very well) and see if maybe your lack of payment for the certification letter of breeding (deckschein) along with the SV registration copy of the sire and certification letter of transfer of ownership (bescheinigung) is what is holding up the works. You will get those about 1-2 weeks after you have paid, and then you can AKC register your puppies (after you register and DNA mom!)

Good luck, and if you need any help, please feel free to email me.

-Melanie

Howdy,

Felsenhof, you come very close to the procedure. Here is how it works :

1. At the mating a " Deckschein" is issued to the bitch owner. This "Deckschein" (stud certificat) contains info on the stud & bitch mated, such as ZW,SZ #, Tatoo # ....... This Certificate has a write through, which will be send by the stud owner to the SV in Augsburg. They will publish, as mentioned by Jantie, this mating in the "Decknachrichten". This Magazin, is puplished monthly and lists all matings that occured under SV Regulations.

2. The breedwarden has to be informed about the whelping. He has to inspect the litter no later than 3 days after the whelping for the first time. He has to inspect the litter again for 2 more times.

3. The pups can be tatood not earlier than at 50 days. They have to be vaccinated and examed by a Vet before, the tatooing takes place.

4. When the tatooing takes place, the following peopel have to be physicly present : Official Tatooer (SV), Breedwarden, Breeder. There is a bit of paperwork that needs to be filled out. "Wurfmeldeschein" ( Form that describes the litter, has all info of Bitch & sire, how many pup & which gender, how many pups deceased, dates of vist of the breewarden .......) This is when the pups actually get their Identity, so it needs to be done accurat. The tatoo, gets also imprinted into the vaccination booklet of each pup. Here in Germany the tatoo will be 2 letters and 4 digits (example H-B 2222). The "Wurfmeldeschein" has to be signed by the Breeder, the Breedwarden and the Tatooer. All of them state with their signature the correctness of the entries made on the " Wurfmeldeschein".

5. The breeder now takes the paperwork ( Deckschein, Wurfmeldeschein, Tatoo Kontroll schein) and aplies for registry with the SV. The Zuchtbuchamt (Breedregistry) now checks all paperwork submitted, and if everything matches up (by this time they allready have recieved the stud certificat from the stud owner), they do issue the apropriate paperwork for the pups. The tatooer also sends in tatoo#'s used, to the SV.

6. These papers will be then send to the breeder of this litter, he now has to cross check the papers and sign them as the breeder of this litter and does varify with his signature on this pedigree that all entries are correct. Now the breeder can send the pedigree out to the new owners of his pups. Because of this procedure, it can sometimes take a little while for the papers to get to the new owners.

But because of this set up, fraud is held at bay, because there are just too many peopel involved.

I do not claim, that my post covers the only way it can be done, as there are certain others procedures, like if someones whelps a litter for a third party. But there are also certain procedures in place for these events, that also have to be followed very strict. But the way I described, I would say is the most common one.

One more thing, depending on how much the Zuchtbuchamt has to do, it can take up to 8 weeks before a breeder gets the paperwork back. When there are big events in progress like the BSZS, it might just even take longer, but I am pretty sure the SV trys to make the best they can, and most of the time they do.

"Export Anerkennung, für Export ungültig" = Export acknowligment, void for Export  This is only a crute translation, what the exact meaning is, I have no idear. If these are indeed SV Papers, I would suggest to take it to the SV, they will try to be of help, I am sure.

Regards Ulli Dresbach

Wow, lots of good info, thanks.  I think I've found the holdup on the registration.  It appears it could be some time before they are received.  Now, how will NOT having registration papers affect his Schutzhund career?  I have to have them to actually compete right?

Thank you very much for the info Ryan.  I had heard it could be done but was really getting nowhere researching it.  My breeder has IBN z Lintichu and I have one of his sons.  Must be a great kennel and a good starting place for my breeder.  Again thanks for your help.