Update on the Mattia case - Page 2

I highlighted the bold red letters,  That was me to illustrate the differences 2 papers were reporting on,  Strange how two different newspapers can receive the same investigation report and read it two different way....  things that make you go mmmmm..

Here is a quote from the article:

‘‘They told us that they would be reviewing their departmental policy on what to do when pets are involved,”

Why would they need to be reviewing policy if everthing was done by the book?????

Ok I do not want to re-hash this over and over and start the whole whirlwind up again so this will be my one and only response to this thread....

First I want to one last time express my deepest sympathy over the loss of this dog. I feel badly for the owners.

With that said, those of you who participated and/or read my thread on this topic about a different perspective. I talked about the different media styles. This is a good example. You have one article that is non-judgmental or offers an opinion, or attempts to inflame tabloid style. This article gives you the story and what both sides have to say. The other gives dramatic, inflamitory statements for media hype.

In my thread I talked about evidence VS. emotion. I tried to walk people through what actuall evidence we had on this circumstance which were pictures of blood, a tie out, a broken collar, and a picture of the dog in a truck with a man holding a collar that was larger than the collar shown on the porch. I said all along these collars were the most probing evidence. I stated there did not appear to be any blood on the collar or blood spatter on the tie out. I asked why were there two different collars and stated that was the biggest hole in the story. The sheriff also stated the fact that if the guy they were trying to serve the warrant on would have abided by the law, the officer never would have been there, and none of this would have happened. I said the exact same thing. You have to lay blame on the person who is reponsible for the deputy being there in the first place.

Sunsilver---If the collar was shot of the dog, there would have been blood on it. No if's and's or but's about that. It would be impossible for there to be no blood on the collar. It would be impossible.

I am not saying this as an "I told you so" just that you can't just run on emotion and codemn people with only one side of the story.

As for department policy---If the deputy was cleared of any wrong doing; he operated within his department's policy. I don't know what this particular departments SOP ws regarding animal attacks, or if the even had one. I would suspect it would be similar to my department, which says we may use any available means of force to prevent an animal attack.

Department policy is inevidently didctated by actual occurance. When something major happens, departments usually hold what they call a "debriefing" or "after action" during a debriefing officers and superiors are given a chronological timeline of the events as they occured. They also look at certain variables in the occurance. After a debriefing, and "after action" is a brainstorm of how the event transpired the officers involved, as well as those not involved, give ideas and thoughts on how the situation was handled and what, if anything, may have been done different for a better outcome.

I hope we all can now let this rest and move on with our lives. I am sorry for the loss of this pet.

GARD, I must respectfully disagree with you about the blood. If the dog were coming at the deputy, and he fired a bullet that grazed the dog's neck, it could easily have severed the collar without getting blood on it. I'm a nurse: there is a lapse of a second or so between the time a wound is made and the time it actually starts to bleed, especially if it's blunt trauma rather than sharp trauma (a knife, for example.) That's because the blood vessels are torn and stretched, and snap back on themselves like elastics. That second would be enough time for the collar to fall away from the neck, without getting bloody.

I'm not saying the collar couldn't have broken just fron the dog charging forward, but in my experience choke chains usually break at the rings, not the links. I had a dog who broke two of them before she was a year old, and they both broke at that point (rings were not soldered shut strongly enough.)

Examination of the broken link should reveal which type of force severed it. If it was the dog lunging, it would have pulled apart and straightened out. If it was a bullet, the link would be deformed and maybe even have a chunk missing (depends on the angle of the impact.)

That's my take on it, anyway.

The officer messed up.  The investigating officer messed up.  It would take me a lot of typing to explain why I make those statements and most seem to want to end this long debate, so I will not.  But, I have investigated these type of shootings many times and I know when I am being fed a line of crap.  Officer Long's actions are a line of crap and the investigating officers report is a line of crap.  If someone wants it "spelled" out for them, then I will do it.  Yes, I have not spoken to anyone involved in this incident, but I have never spoken to Bill or Hillary Clinton either, and I could smell their line of crap from 700 miles away, easily.  And they are GOOD at it.

GARD I know you have had enough of this but did the crime dictate the action? The guy whom the LE is looking for is a dad who did not pay his child support. The Mattia's have given the LE his correct address and he has still not been served according to some statements here.  So lets not blame the dad and I hesitate to use the term "deadbeat" because all circumstances are different.

Where on the database are the darn links that showed the pics of the broken collar, tie out, and blood on the walk?? I have looked in the archives and can't find them. Maybe I am not remembering right, but I can see that broken collar attached to the tie out in blood on the walk. Also why weren't there pics of Deputy Longs bite mark? Isn't that procedure to photograph those things?

Trailrider, I found a link to the pictures. The original one no longer works. Here they are: http://www.stmarystoday.com/News/SheriffSaysDogSlayingLawful.html

Thanks Sunsilver. It looks a bit different than my mind was seeing it.

There's no blood at all on the tieout rope, so I'm thinking that means the chain DID break, either  from one of the first  bullets fired,t or the dog lunging at the officer.