Keeping Your Dog Safe from Law Enforcement - Page 19

wow this is disgusting i know a person young boy like 17 tiny framed that was tased like hell cause the cops got the wrong house, anyways not all cops are bad i know, mistakes happen.

but in regards to animals i think people here should be more respectful for the actual animals that are dying and maybe something can be done to protect them from such sick acts? I am shocked that somg dog owners just read this crap and are like "oh well they are doing their job" digusting.

FOR  GSD:

you said:

While the last half of your post is on topic, we are not discussing loose dogs attacking others, that should be in a topic of it's own.
And the drama comes from both sides. Including the story you just posted.


the 1st half is fact, the 2nd half was drama


the title of this thread is

"Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"

I see posts on here bash L/E & little to nothing about the title of:


"Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"

I see the new post of " see how the postal carrier " is now killing dog post thing or what ever going off topic of:
"Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"

 
but yet again should we not be talking of ways to "Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"?

like? what is everybody plan?

Ours is to be a great dog owners by:


1) Obey the law so PD "should not" come to our home & kill our dogs

2) being a good dog owner & not letting our dogs run at large so they can be shot & killed by LE

3) SWAT does make mistakes, but if they come in to our home & kill our dogs then they just bought us new one's.


Now can anybody else see what we can do or come up with a plan to"Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"?

I would love to see this post turn educational instead of feeding off of a neg. problem that is very much real in our world today?

can we be focused on the topic of how to Keep your dogs safe from Law Enforcement or maybe we should of changed to topic's title to how do Law Enforcement kills your pets and get away with it those dirty #$%^&*! (lol)


there are good cops & bad cops  and good dog owners & bad owners


but the topic of this thread is not matching the title here.

  

 
 

 
 

Thank you oregon for actually realizing why I started this thread and what the real topic was intended to be!  It was supposed to be about taking measures to protect our dogs from LEOs accidentally shooting them.  It was not meant to be about sharing case after case, story after story of cops making bad decisions to shoot pets or bashing cops.

How does a police officer accidentlly shoot a dog that is tied up or cowering in the corner. And without threads like this discussing the sad state of some of our police officers how do we share this information. I/we can start a new thread if you like but what is the difference?

The thread has been cleaned and is on topic all attacks have been deleted, all off topic deleted and all back and forths deleted.

No you don't have to start a new thread unless you feel it is necessary.  My intent was to make all of us aware of the danger our pets could be in and what we could do to protect them since so much of what happens is beyond our control.  

I totally agree with Gigante et al. They have me convinced. Everyone should support their ideas, I feel so stupid now.

Welll, this morning I woke up and changed my mind. I don't really agree at all. I feel even stupider, now.

Everyone should bring their pets inside if the cops are out and about chasing the bad guys. I think that makes the most sense.

ggturner

Thank you oregon for actually realizing why I started this thread and what the real topic was intended to be!  It was supposed to be about taking measures to protect our dogs from LEOs accidentally shooting them.  It was not meant to be about sharing case after case, story after story of cops making bad decisions to shoot pets or bashing cops.

Its easy to see from your posts that you are unhappy with the direction of the thread. In each of videos that many have posted I saw No accidental discharge. What I saw was draw point and kill. In discussing protecting our pets from cops, why would it be inappropriate not to discuss the senseless killing of animals in real life shown in the videos and stories. Thats a part of protecting our pets from police, the really really... bad ones.

 

If anyone look's at anyone of of those videos and stories surely they would also be appalled and see a need for protest?  

I understand your upset with me.

 

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I can fill this thread all day long with videos and stories, Im only choosing not to. LEO, cheerleaders and others continue to say this is not a real problem. Many police don't automatically go to weapons, thats silly. 

 

Is it?

what is everybody plan? Ours is to be a great dog owners by: 1) Obey the law so PD "should not" come to our home & kill our dogs 2) being a good dog owner & not letting our dogs run at large so they can be shot & killed by LE 3) SWAT does make mistakes, but if they come in to our home & kill our dogs then they just bought us new one's.

1) Raise awareness that killing Oreagons and other peoples dogs will not be tolerated inside his own home unless by real error or real threat and all other options exhausted.

 

2) If oregons or other peoples dogs escape on accident and community perceives a threat, animal control is called if not and a police officer responds, he/she will be trained in one Jims classes to realize a true need to kill or not kill. He/she will understand that convenience killing will cost them.... big time.

 

3) Raise awareness that dogs are not lawn chairs that can be replaced with a coupon. Should SWAT or any other police choose to ignore a rational threat assessment and go automatically to weapons their departments will be held accountable, where horrific the individual officer will have immunity defeated and lose his house, pension, car, firearms etc. Never to be placed in a position of trusted authority again. 

This is what we are potentially dealing with, when it comes to LEO interatacting with our pets:

"It was a mandatory evacuation -- we either go to jail or get shot, or we leave our pets behind."

Then, he said, he and other owners heard a deputy say, 'Man, once everybody's gone, we're going to have target practice tonight.'''

"There was so much commotion after that statement was made," he said. "We stood our ground and said, 'We're not leaving them.'"

"Next thing you know, we're either leaving … or you get shot."  

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3265151&page=1 


Two deputies have already been indicted by a grand jury in New Orleans on charges of felony, aggravated cruelty to animals. The Louisiana attorney general's office is investigating and this morning lawyers for a group of owners will file a comprehensive complaint in federal court in Louisiana seeking class action status for their clients. 


While I'm glad I live in a community where LEO's are forced to think first, due to the ever present possiblity of legal action from citizens with access to proper legal representation; what we should all have learned from this thread is that there is NO physical defense from random raids, officer judgment calls, or just plan wrong addresses.  It seeems officers will do what they THINK they should be doing, even when legal experts tell them that they should be not engaging in such activities.  Their reasoning is "they know better than civilians", despite successful lawsuits and the conviction of other officers proving otherwise.  LEO's don't want to have to learn "something extra" because "time on the job" has taught them everything they need to know. 

The next step for civilians is clear: LAWYER UP!  The responses that we have seen in opposition to "handler training for officers" have ranged anywere from "not in my department" to "you don't know what you are talking about".

FINE, I think we should realize that we are being told that the COURTS will have decide the legality of such actions.  Although I am for additional studies to see if any patterns are emerging across the nation, it seems that may also be met with opposition.  Training has also been deemed to be unessassary by those in the know.  So what options are left to reduce the chances of dogs getting shot and thier owners actually getting thier day in court?

Maybe a non-profit legal fund that specifically sues for wrongful LEO shooting of pets and pressures DA's to prosecute.  If enough successful suits happen, I'll bet the shootings decrease.  Rather than try and  intelligently intelligently disscuss this, while finding data to support positive change, perhaps we need to just start pooling money to fight the legal battles instead?  Maybe an ACLU type organization that focuses strictly on wrongful shooting of pets by LEO's can solve this national issue of LEO's trampling on the rights of civilians?  If MORE of the articles below happen, we'll see LESS of what we have been discussing above:

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/123070-Hells-Angels-to-get-nearly-1-million-for-dogs-killed-in-police-raid/

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705368656/Police-chief-of-Parowan-charged-in-dogs-shooting.html 


 I guess its time to draw a line in the sand.