Czech pedigree define??? - Page 18

Back to topic: quoting the last sentence: @ Am i being nit-picky -What defines czech? is it being imported from there regardless of pedigree?

This has already been answered a couple of times meaning czech is a gsd line with certain traits. Next part of the question has been correctly answered by Duke meaning; a sport line bred in the Czech Republic is the same as a sport line bred in Belgium/ Holland or Westgermany and therefore can't be defined as czech. However the discusion went on about different lines appearing  on czech pedigrees regarding to sales piches like pure/100% ans all czech. I for one wood seriously mistrust a czech pedigree where no other lines have been used in the past. Simply because the population of the original czech type was relatively to small for intensive line breeding. New blood has to be added from time to time to prevent heavy inbreeding witch eventully will ruin the line.

So all czech has to be a dog that performs like one, regardless of the written part of the pedigree.

If i wanted a czech type dog today i wood be more conserned about the breeders pedigree ( if there were such thing) than what is stated on the dogs pedigee. JMO.

'Simply because the population of the original czech type was relatively to small for intensive line breeding. New blood has to be added from time to time to prevent heavy inbreeding witch eventully will ruin the line.'
Not true, ask duke about intensive line breeding. The 'original Czech type' are DDR dogs....all of them came from DDR. That is if you are speaking specifically of zps lines. And then, according to the experts, they went to breeding kennels in Czech countryside,used dogs from civilian kennels that fit in the program. That's why they used W GSL and wgsport lines also.

'If i wanted a czech type dog today i wood be more conserned about the breeders pedigree ( if there were such thing) than what is stated on the dogs pedigee. JMO.'. Haha, That's cute, so being as my father's parents emigrated to the us from Germany, does that mean I'm only allowed 1/2 gsds? And duke is Dutch, living Czech, so he should be breeding dutchies? Allen says; 'a sport line bred in the Czech Republic is the same as a sport line bred in Belgium/ Holland or Westgermany and therefore can't be defined as czech'
. I answered; So when these dogs are showing up only three generations back in a ped that a person is advertising as All Czech or Pure Czech, is that accurate ad.

joan i dont remember what question you asked that i didnt answer. refresh my memory and ill answer it. 

"Czech dogs, Czech shepherds" , etc, is no more than a sales pitch for a fad." I said on page one. it took 3 pages for you to realize the same thing....."the word pure or 100% is a marketing ploy and it works pretty well with the masses."

after you made this comment i knew we were on two completely different planes of thought. those two quotes are not close to same. no need to bicker any further. it would be like each of us talking to a brick wall. to me czech is just an adjective used to describe a certain line. same as irish, german, american in essence are describing a certain line of human. the pedigree i was refering to was the one posted by the orginal poster. i said i would consider that a czech dog.

this entire thread is just arguing definitions and semantics. 

the more posts i read of yours the more i realize you just HAVE to be right. you might have more in common with hans than you realize!

I don't care what you call it, I tend to go by the dog itself.

'the more posts i read of yours the more i realize you just HAVE to be right. you might have more in common with hans than you realize!'

The difference is your buddy, hans, makes up things and tries to convince people they are true. Duke was insisting his perspective is correct and that mine is incorrect, which leads to opinions being tossed about. I think you have a reading deficit so can't follow the thred, you couldn't read my explanation ten pages ago so again you said; 'those two quotes are not close to same.' That's OK. But imo you are in a dark ages place in time saying this about human beings; "same as irish, german, american in essence are describing a certain line of human." . Not only does it show you are a bigot, but you obviously aren't aware of the diversity in america...from the indigenous peoples, to the European invaders and people from every inhabited continent there after..... Smh. :-/
Plus, you also say things that are inaccurate and when asked about them , you can't justify your statements. That's just like your buddy. Plus, you must resort to personal insults when you can't answer a direct question about your comments, that too, is just like your buddy.
BTW, did you know that there are b/r dog breeders in Czech? Not all kennels in cr breed sable dogs. Those dogs are still Czech dogs papered by Czech reg.

Boomer, did you see this? >>>> "Agreed about 'type' and different 'lines'. But in the context of the original question, more often than not, the description in ads of all Czech or pure Czech is sale's hyp. Jmo." <<< that's what I said on page 20 . Jmo means 'just my OPINION'.....there is, instrinsicly, no right or wrong regards opinions. Hope this helps you understand what these back and forth posts between duke and myself are. he has breedings he's promoting based on All Czech tag.. I don't. But I also will rebut his inaccurate statements regarding my likes, dislikes, and saying I breed to the 'flavor of the day'. Which he never answered Who that dog is that I supposedly used, which is just more of the ssdd from a breeder that has an agenda.

lol someone needs to calm down before they burst a blood vessel. i have reading problems and i'm a bigot. ouch! 

seriously the only thing missing are google pictures and wiki posts and you'd be exactly like master dog trainer. 

Oh, I don't think so. But you certainly are entitled to your opinion. :-) As for break a blood vessel, how do you figure that? Its obvious you are only trying to rile me, saying I'm just like your buddy. I get the similarity you might sense.......he sees the silliness in what you say, and so do I. You'll be OK. But again, you are off topic.

Joan, what did you mean when you said; qoute: A pure line in the true sense of the word will eventually implode? just wondering. (page 3)

And you are right JMO means just that cute or not.

The same thing as intense line breeding will ruin a breed. But I found out on this very thread I'm wrong, by one of the experts.
this was posted by the same person who disagreed with my comment that a pure line in the true sense of the word will eventually implode : 'when every GSD in the world is the same type of dog with the same names on the pedigree the breed is screwed '
So now what? I think I'll just go by what I've learned, these threds get too much contradictory information to take them seriously.

By the way, I don't believe you are wrong, and neither am I. At least that's my opinion. :-)