Von- oh, ok...thanks!!!

Smiley, GSDs were never meant to be that size! Stay away from Royalair and other similar breeders. Those dogs are not just oversized, many are grossly overWEIGHT as well, have dippy backs and other conformation faults.

Everything evolves and changes over time. Add fad and economics to the mix the result is not the improvement of the GSD. This is an intersting article on breeding and types of Gsd's. The interviewee is Pierre Wahlstrom.

http://www.johnsoaresk9training.com/info/sportvsrealdogs.html

Kyle

Are their Black and Tan saddle backed working line dogs? I am wondering if they share a different genetic base than the sables or blacks?

Yes, there are, you are just unlikely to get that pattern consistently or very often:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=563607-mijos-cayenne
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=696860-cooper-vom-germelhaus
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=506496-ximba-van-erpenchem

Molly....thank you!

I am sorry but can anyone tell me if the bloodlines of the saddle backed Black and Tans different from the sables and blacks? Do these working line dogs have a different set of genetics? Respectfully, I am still learning pedigree.....thank you.

Sarah

 

No, no different. Many of the black and tan dogs have Bernd v. Lierberg, Bodo's brother, in their pedigrees. His lines are very common in the working line dogs.

No, they are only genetically distinct in that the color is genetically distinct from sable and black. To get a bloodline of dogs that consistently produce not just black/tan, which encompasses blanket back and saddleback dogs (which I think is what you are specifically asking about? that particular form of the black/tan pattern?), but ONLY saddleback dogs, you have to SPECIFICALLY breed for that pattern of black/tan and potentially exclude black dogs from breeding (if that is how the modifier works)....which working lines generally do not do. Look at the pedigree for Mi-Jo's Cayenne. She did NOT come from a long line of saddleback black and tan dogs.

Anyone have had or have something from Jim and Julie Barnes Wenatchee Lines? Very successful american working dog breeding program in the 60's-70's-80's. I have admired their program and would have enjoyed to see some of their dogs in action. Sierra Working dogs carries the lines.

 

Ok, this is embarassing.....I rechecked my girl's pedigree and she has some of these very old german/american lines!! Nuts!!  But, it's, of course, pretty far back so I am sure most dogs have the same lines.

She is linebred on CH Neumann's Jim as her closest CH and also has CH Bodo Vom Lierberg, VA ROM CH Grief Vom Elfenhain, V ROM Hein Vom Richterback, VA AM Select CH ROM Casar Von Der Malmannsheide, V GV Troll Vom Richterbach, Select CH Ablan Von Klammle, and VA1 CH Volker Vom Zollgrenzschutz Haus.

She also is linebred on Burga Vom Haus Himmel, Kessa vom Haus Himpel, Held Von Ritterberg among others....a lot of the DDR ones are in red so they might be Sieger's or something.

Sarah

P.S.- I aplogize for picture quality. They are with my iphone and I don't know how to make backgrounds go away so dog stands out more.