The Ultimate Proof of Creation - Dr. Jason Lisle - Page 18

vk - Re:  thumbprint - but He is everywhere ! (must be how he can be
both in front of the camera, and taking the photo, @ the same time).

Steve1,
it is not to feed but rather expose them for what they are, so that others are not mislead.


Moons.


P.S.
haven't said hello to you in a long time, hope your well.
 

As clearly as I can see it, the issue with the dialogue between the two camps, is the insistence of both sides upon processing the views of the other through their own paradigm.  It's no secret that I have difficulty with a lot of what shtal preaches here, and just about everything gouda does.  That said, some of what shtal offers and why can often be misconstrued apart from the Christian world view.  My criticism of them, is that much of the time, they seem to expect everyone else to see things the way they do.  At the same time, many atheists and/or agnostics here can guilty of the same stubbornness, to varying degrees.  Being that we are all human, at least a measure of common ground must exist somewhere.  Ridiculous that some have little else to offer but adolescent, incendiary, and primitive jabbing -the "enlightened" ones; hardly.

One must see, not just look to be enlightened.
Then the enlightened one must put what he has learned to practical use to continue on his path.
Still, old habits die hard.
That's why it is an ongoing process to enlightenment, there is no end to the journey.
Many never even take the first step, or stop short and become distracted.
What little common ground there is may be more one sided than anything else.




 

What little common ground there is may be more one sided than anything else.

Sadly, I do think that is the case.  The funny thing is, the flip side (as evidenced by some here even in this thread) is quick elude to an ignorance born of fear yet, their own very behavior, when examined, reveals similar cowardice, though of a different color perhaps.  Most "christians" don't want any part of "Christianity" in its unadulterated form.

Everyone want's it their own way, the easiest way perhaps, customized for maximum benefit, maximum effect.
Very little consistency.


 

What a crock of shit !!
It's just as rude to speak of someone who's not here as it is to preach on an internet forum.
So i will not go into detail about what's wrong with people like shtal, not him specificly.
And yes it pertains to the lives of others when said in public.

Harm has been done and there is a price for that.
The greatest harm, this sort of display divides people, who should be standing together.
 

Moons, your own opinions aside for a moment, society has taken Christianity to a place where, when one subscribes, converts, whatever you call it, it can sometimes take many years for them to figure out how to function effectively in mixed company.  Right or wrong, the religion "mandates" certain behavior.  Since these mandates are effectually the center of the Christian walk, converts are compelled to parrot and emulate the doctrines, dogma, tradition, and ceremony they converted under.  Now, someone such as yourself may question the ability of said convert to "think", but it's just not that simple within the walls of the church.  I'm not making excuses for religion, in fact, let me be first in line to burn it to the ground in all its hypocrisy.  To make matters worse, many never ever learn, or are perfectly happy cashing in on religion, while others are emboldened by the negative response they get when they shove their message down the throats of others, thinking that is the way.  It definitely isn't the responsibility of others to be understanding of the situation (after all, we're all adults, I think), especially if we disagree with the world view, but, if nothing else, I think it does account for the reason for the barrage. 

Hi Moons
All is Okay
Steve1