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by eichenluft on 08 September 2011 - 21:09
Here's some facts for you beetree. Read carefully and slowly, I know it's very difficult for you.
The owner died unexpectedly. She did not make arrangements for the dogs with friends. The friends stepped up to the plate to care for the animals (many more than the two dogs I'm talking about) and that's great. I would hope all dog owners who love their dogs and die suddenly have friends like that. Because - it happens ALL THE TIME beetree - when someone dies, the pets are not taken in by friends. They are discarded, sold, put on craigslist, euthanized, sent to shelters. It happens ALL THE TIME. Breeders are not notified, and even if they could be - most breeders don't have contracts that mention getting the dog back "for any reason" - they don't keep in touch with the owners, and they don't care enough to keep track of the dogs. I do.
I knew the moment this owner was diagnosed with her illness. I spoke to her often, weekly, sometimes several times/week, in the 6 years since she bought the first dog from me. I was her friend, too. I knew the day she was going into the hospital. I heard the news within an hour of her passing away suddenly. I was on the phone that same day trying to find who to contact to find out where the dogs were so that I could get them. Why? no, not because I was waiting in the wings for the owner to die so that I could take the dogs and re-sell them or breed them. Because I love my dogs, every single one that I own, breed, produce and sell - and I require every owner to sign my contract promising that if ANYTHING HAPPENS that requires them to place the dogs FOR ANY REASON, I get the first chance to get them back. Or, at least the first phonecall to discuss the issue at hand so that I can help in the process of making sure the dogs are in the best and most appropriate permanent homes.
I think is is a real shame that the people responsible for finding the dogs' new homes, don't feel that honoring a contract that the owner signed and agreed to, for two dogs - is important. I know that the owner would have honored it by at least contacting me first about where she felt the dogs should be placed - with me or with someone else, we would have discussed it together. I thought my contract was legit - I found out it was not - I will fix that before I sell even one more puppy. This will NOT happen again, with any dog that I produce, sell or place.
end of story!
The owner died unexpectedly. She did not make arrangements for the dogs with friends. The friends stepped up to the plate to care for the animals (many more than the two dogs I'm talking about) and that's great. I would hope all dog owners who love their dogs and die suddenly have friends like that. Because - it happens ALL THE TIME beetree - when someone dies, the pets are not taken in by friends. They are discarded, sold, put on craigslist, euthanized, sent to shelters. It happens ALL THE TIME. Breeders are not notified, and even if they could be - most breeders don't have contracts that mention getting the dog back "for any reason" - they don't keep in touch with the owners, and they don't care enough to keep track of the dogs. I do.
I knew the moment this owner was diagnosed with her illness. I spoke to her often, weekly, sometimes several times/week, in the 6 years since she bought the first dog from me. I was her friend, too. I knew the day she was going into the hospital. I heard the news within an hour of her passing away suddenly. I was on the phone that same day trying to find who to contact to find out where the dogs were so that I could get them. Why? no, not because I was waiting in the wings for the owner to die so that I could take the dogs and re-sell them or breed them. Because I love my dogs, every single one that I own, breed, produce and sell - and I require every owner to sign my contract promising that if ANYTHING HAPPENS that requires them to place the dogs FOR ANY REASON, I get the first chance to get them back. Or, at least the first phonecall to discuss the issue at hand so that I can help in the process of making sure the dogs are in the best and most appropriate permanent homes.
I think is is a real shame that the people responsible for finding the dogs' new homes, don't feel that honoring a contract that the owner signed and agreed to, for two dogs - is important. I know that the owner would have honored it by at least contacting me first about where she felt the dogs should be placed - with me or with someone else, we would have discussed it together. I thought my contract was legit - I found out it was not - I will fix that before I sell even one more puppy. This will NOT happen again, with any dog that I produce, sell or place.
end of story!
by beetree on 08 September 2011 - 21:09
Oh, tell it in your newsletter Molly. I go by what HAPPENED, not your sorry fairytale. You can say you just wanted the dogs back till you give birth to triplets. YOU HAD NO RIGHT. No one cares what you wanted, get that through your fat head.
Why you haven't expressed sincere condolences to Wanda, in private or here, is beyond me. Much rather defend a losing position.
Why you haven't expressed sincere condolences to Wanda, in private or here, is beyond me. Much rather defend a losing position.
by Ace952 on 08 September 2011 - 21:09
by beetree on 08 September 2011 - 22:09
I don't know Ace, we should ask Jenni, don't you think? Who is .... winning! LOL
by Ace952 on 08 September 2011 - 22:09
LMAO@Bee!!!
hahaha!!
hahaha!!
by cphudson on 08 September 2011 - 23:09
Wanda I'm very sorry for the lost of your friend & sure this most be a difficult time for you. I hope the dogs are happy & doing well. I can offer some insight from another view.
My husband & I love our dogs dearly, we enjoy training them & living with them. I've been involved with dogs most of my life & my husband has loved them but still considered more of a novice with training, etc..
I kept in touch with the breeders I purchased my dogs with over the years with occasional emails, photos / phone calls. Our dogs travel with us, live inside our home, sleep on our couches & beds, & even have their own bedrooms.
5 years ago I started having some moderate health issues that restricted my physical activity, but was never a big concern to worry about our future, so I thought. 2 years ago after a doctor mistake during my care, I was fighting for my life & nearly died. I was in ICU for another 4 months where I had a less than 20% survival rate. During this time my biggest & constant concern was for my family & my dogs welfare. My husband's job kept him away from home normally from 4am until 7pm every day during the week. I was always the main care taker home with the dogs, so was so worried who was taking care of them now. My husband was staying with me at the hospital & had a cot sent up in my room.
You have no idea how upsetting it is worrying about the ones you love, my dogs included. Since I had breathing tubes in my mouth I couldn't talk, but one day I snag a not pad from the nurse & began writing all my questions.
My first was about my dogs welfare. My husband was so upset during this time he wasn't thinking of our dogs / home / family, just being there for me. I found out various family members, friends, & neighbors had been taking care of our home & dogs. While I was very thankful for everyone stepping in to help us, they did not provide the kind of care I would have wanted for my dogs. They did what they thought was best for each of my dogs, but it differed greatly to what I considered best for my dogs. They separated my dogs among themselves, leaving our 2 rescue oldest dogs at home to be cared for by neighbors. Our other dogs care varied from decent to heart breaking for us. My young male 12 month old, Ryder was who was considered too aggressive & out of control by my family members was quickly donated away to the police, so I was told. He was never located by us again. My 15 month old female, Recka that I trained every day & ready for her SCH1, was living in one of my families back yard. She was scolded & hit for her mushiness, & only given her very basic minimal care such as fed once a day & given water. Since she had what they considered bite training it made her too aggressive to be around their children / smaller dogs, so she was chained to the back of the yard. She received no attention, or played during this time. Recka was a complete sweet heart & well behaved in the house. She even did therapy work with austic children & cross training in SAR. Ryder & Recka's fate broke my heart when I finally return home 6 months later. I'll never forget the day while I was helped out of the car at my family's home to bring Recka home with me, her howling from the backyard when she must of smelled me. Recka never left my side once home, she even attended all my physical therapy sessions with me & visited me at the dialysis center with my husband.
My few others dogs faired better in my other family homes living as their family pets, where they stayed since their kids became too attached to them. While I'm glad my family loves my fully trained WL GSD's as their family pets,
My husband & I love our dogs dearly, we enjoy training them & living with them. I've been involved with dogs most of my life & my husband has loved them but still considered more of a novice with training, etc..
I kept in touch with the breeders I purchased my dogs with over the years with occasional emails, photos / phone calls. Our dogs travel with us, live inside our home, sleep on our couches & beds, & even have their own bedrooms.
5 years ago I started having some moderate health issues that restricted my physical activity, but was never a big concern to worry about our future, so I thought. 2 years ago after a doctor mistake during my care, I was fighting for my life & nearly died. I was in ICU for another 4 months where I had a less than 20% survival rate. During this time my biggest & constant concern was for my family & my dogs welfare. My husband's job kept him away from home normally from 4am until 7pm every day during the week. I was always the main care taker home with the dogs, so was so worried who was taking care of them now. My husband was staying with me at the hospital & had a cot sent up in my room.
You have no idea how upsetting it is worrying about the ones you love, my dogs included. Since I had breathing tubes in my mouth I couldn't talk, but one day I snag a not pad from the nurse & began writing all my questions.
My first was about my dogs welfare. My husband was so upset during this time he wasn't thinking of our dogs / home / family, just being there for me. I found out various family members, friends, & neighbors had been taking care of our home & dogs. While I was very thankful for everyone stepping in to help us, they did not provide the kind of care I would have wanted for my dogs. They did what they thought was best for each of my dogs, but it differed greatly to what I considered best for my dogs. They separated my dogs among themselves, leaving our 2 rescue oldest dogs at home to be cared for by neighbors. Our other dogs care varied from decent to heart breaking for us. My young male 12 month old, Ryder was who was considered too aggressive & out of control by my family members was quickly donated away to the police, so I was told. He was never located by us again. My 15 month old female, Recka that I trained every day & ready for her SCH1, was living in one of my families back yard. She was scolded & hit for her mushiness, & only given her very basic minimal care such as fed once a day & given water. Since she had what they considered bite training it made her too aggressive to be around their children / smaller dogs, so she was chained to the back of the yard. She received no attention, or played during this time. Recka was a complete sweet heart & well behaved in the house. She even did therapy work with austic children & cross training in SAR. Ryder & Recka's fate broke my heart when I finally return home 6 months later. I'll never forget the day while I was helped out of the car at my family's home to bring Recka home with me, her howling from the backyard when she must of smelled me. Recka never left my side once home, she even attended all my physical therapy sessions with me & visited me at the dialysis center with my husband.
My few others dogs faired better in my other family homes living as their family pets, where they stayed since their kids became too attached to them. While I'm glad my family loves my fully trained WL GSD's as their family pets,
by Jenni78 on 08 September 2011 - 23:09
They were already taking care of the dogs, though they were still in the owner's home, correct? That's not the same as taking them when they heard she died; they were already taking care of them, so a natural assumption would be since she's DEAD now, that they should probably continue doing that. I have heard that dead people don't always take good care of their dogs.
I have a hard time following a story when it changes to suit the writer's current need/agenda. I must be a moron.
And Molly, when you're calling Beetree a moron consistently, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from comma splices. They irk me and don't help you point out how stupid other people are.
I have a hard time following a story when it changes to suit the writer's current need/agenda. I must be a moron.
And Molly, when you're calling Beetree a moron consistently, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from comma splices. They irk me and don't help you point out how stupid other people are.
by yellowrose of Texas on 08 September 2011 - 23:09
IN case you missed it Jenn , I sent you a message
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Jenn you made complete sense to me and so did you BEETREE!!!
YR
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Jenn you made complete sense to me and so did you BEETREE!!!
YR
by Red Sable on 09 September 2011 - 00:09
Molly must be a complete moron if she thinks anyone is going to believe a word she says anymore.
by shepherdpal on 09 September 2011 - 02:09
Everything Molly has said in this thread shows her to be a very caring and responsible dog owner and breeder. I have been on this site for a few years off and on and never understand why she is bashed so much. I would be very happy to have a pup from her if I was not on the other side of the country.
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