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by Paul Garrison on 23 March 2014 - 13:03
GSDstudent
I was looking for little history. If he was born in the 90's he could have no clue only rumors of how it was in the 70's. I have no clue of the 50's only rumors and stories. But what I do know is the 70's and what those dogs produced. I was hoping just hoping our very own "Tape Worm" would do more then run his mouth and run and maybe listen to a little history. Just because cars are better today it does not mean our dogs or children are. They are not. All that glitters is not gold.
I was looking for little history. If he was born in the 90's he could have no clue only rumors of how it was in the 70's. I have no clue of the 50's only rumors and stories. But what I do know is the 70's and what those dogs produced. I was hoping just hoping our very own "Tape Worm" would do more then run his mouth and run and maybe listen to a little history. Just because cars are better today it does not mean our dogs or children are. They are not. All that glitters is not gold.
by Paul Garrison on 23 March 2014 - 13:03
Blitzen
I know a American bred run of the mill looking 90 lbs GSD male that is as nice of a protection dog as I have seen in the hand of everyday person. I would own him in a heart beat. He does not care about papers or breeding or anything. Won't even say where he got him. The dog is a dead end. Many many good dogs has the same fate.
I know a American bred run of the mill looking 90 lbs GSD male that is as nice of a protection dog as I have seen in the hand of everyday person. I would own him in a heart beat. He does not care about papers or breeding or anything. Won't even say where he got him. The dog is a dead end. Many many good dogs has the same fate.
by Blitzen on 23 March 2014 - 13:03
Yes, I'm sure that's true, Paul.
by gsdstudent on 23 March 2014 - 14:03
Dear Paul G; History is good only if you learn from it. You must have a perspective to understand history. The parasite I condemn in my last post [ is not you] has no vantage point or any value. He recognizes only his limited view. He recognizes only pets breeders. He does not see that the pet dog is a recent evolution. The pet dog is a luxury only about 100 years old. Our breed fore fathers developed sports to challange the breed and breeders to promote a working animal. Its beginning was herding. It's history is law enforcement. Its future is a well informed grass root organization's effort to recognize the ancestors, both dog and breeder and do their memory right. Can we get some worm med for the data base?
by Sunsilver on 23 March 2014 - 14:03
LOL! GSDStudent...two thumbs up!
by johan77 on 23 March 2014 - 15:03
Gustav, why shouldn´t a good breeder have a policedog as a goal? A dualpurpose PSD should be good in many areas, nosework, strongnerved and confident with a good balance in his drives. Not only prey, not overly sharp and antisocial against people, afterall SCH and it´s various forms was supposed to mimick the job of a policedog, so breeding for a good policedog I see as better than the other directions GSDs are breed for today. I guess you will still have different types of character in a litter even if you goal is policedog, some fitted more for sport or some will end up as pets.
by Sunsilver on 23 March 2014 - 15:03
A good breeder does not breed for police dogs or military dogs, they breed dogs that have the ability to perform the rich and varied legacy of accomplishment from the past. The word varied indicates more than biting.
As Gustav is trying to say, if you breed for one thing, and one thing only, you lose versatility. You breed for a dog that excell at bitework, you may get dogs that are too sharp to be safe with children or small pets. Your selection criteria becomes too narrow.
Many current handlers evaluate a prospective dog for one thing: ball drive. That's it. If it fails to show good ball drive, they won't even look at it a second time. This should NOT be the sole selection criteria! A good dog needs to be balanced, as you say.
As Gustav is trying to say, if you breed for one thing, and one thing only, you lose versatility. You breed for a dog that excell at bitework, you may get dogs that are too sharp to be safe with children or small pets. Your selection criteria becomes too narrow.
Many current handlers evaluate a prospective dog for one thing: ball drive. That's it. If it fails to show good ball drive, they won't even look at it a second time. This should NOT be the sole selection criteria! A good dog needs to be balanced, as you say.
by joanro on 23 March 2014 - 15:03
SS, that's because most people can't train without ball drive. It's a crutch.
by susie on 23 March 2014 - 16:03
I don´t believe in the "good old times" - my personal "memory" starts in the early seventies - a lot of unhealthy dogs, and a lot of unsound dogs during that time.
My grandpa ( born in 1902 ), who owned working dogs, espacially German Shepherds, his whole life, knew about major health and temperament issues in the times before.
That said, I don´t believe in the "good old days" of our breed, but I am pretty aware of the problems of today´s dogs...
I´m with Gustav about breeding, as soon as a breeder is able to find "the golden middle", there will be dogs able to do their jobs as policedogs, and there will be dogs, able to do IPO, or whatever else. Some of them will be good pets.
The current split between "real" working dogs, IPO point dogs, show dogs, and pet dogs, is not good for the breed as a whole.
The German Shepherd was created out of old herding stock, dogs with a lot of working drive, and defense, too, the goal was to create a sound working dog for every venue.
Breeding for specialists only does narrow the gene pool in each line, and "forgetting" about the working abilities is followed by breeding pets only.
I for myself don´t want to see a litter bred for "points" only, I don´t want to see a litter bred for "police work" only, I don´t want to see a litter bred for "shows" only, and I never want to see a litter bred for "companion" only, but I want to see a litter bred for working ability, temperament, and standard.
Out of these puppies everybody should be able to find the dog that suits him.
My grandpa ( born in 1902 ), who owned working dogs, espacially German Shepherds, his whole life, knew about major health and temperament issues in the times before.
That said, I don´t believe in the "good old days" of our breed, but I am pretty aware of the problems of today´s dogs...
I´m with Gustav about breeding, as soon as a breeder is able to find "the golden middle", there will be dogs able to do their jobs as policedogs, and there will be dogs, able to do IPO, or whatever else. Some of them will be good pets.
The current split between "real" working dogs, IPO point dogs, show dogs, and pet dogs, is not good for the breed as a whole.
The German Shepherd was created out of old herding stock, dogs with a lot of working drive, and defense, too, the goal was to create a sound working dog for every venue.
Breeding for specialists only does narrow the gene pool in each line, and "forgetting" about the working abilities is followed by breeding pets only.
I for myself don´t want to see a litter bred for "points" only, I don´t want to see a litter bred for "police work" only, I don´t want to see a litter bred for "shows" only, and I never want to see a litter bred for "companion" only, but I want to see a litter bred for working ability, temperament, and standard.
Out of these puppies everybody should be able to find the dog that suits him.
by Smiley on 23 March 2014 - 16:03
Thank you everyone for the comments!! You all have certainly given me a lot to think about!! I appreciate all the comments as it is helping me learn.....
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