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I know what it means to break a contract.  You can execute the language of the contract, in this case, the dogs in question would be on permanent limited reg. and no litters could be registered.  But I wouldn't nullify my contract because someone was in breach, that would be like shooting myself in the foot because the bad guy was running away.

It's my understanding that dogs that are active law enforcementare NOT allowed to be used for breeding until they retire.

   I plan to use my dog that went on to be certified dual purpose k9, but must wait until his retirement.

Is this not the norm? I often wonder when I see pups for sale stating father cert. K9.

I would think real life certs is much better  test than sport...

Kitkat that depends on a deal which you make with LE. Some may  thing that it may be some kind of conflict of interest. But with small LE it easier to deal. Now t6hat is if the dogs are from you, if they are not that may be more difficult. 

 

 vk4gsd 

 you do not need to brake the dog to test it. Where did that come from.? 

I think the last post from Bob is very revealing.

He somehow thinks that you can test a 14 year old dog at no risk to the dog.  No wonder he nay says IPO.  If he honestly thinks that his 14 year old dog can be safely worked and tested then he has no idea how hard it can be on a dog.

I have two 12 year old dogs who love to come out and "work" .  Their work is NOTHING like it was when they were 5 or 6.  I move very slow and deliberate so they are not injured. 

Throwing your 14 year old out there to be tested shows that Bob has no idea of 1)what a test on a dog really is 2) that his dog has never been tested since he thinks he can still do it at 14.

Best part is, I'm the bad guy for telling him he's putting his dog at risk..  That's my mentality he says..... A test is just that.  It's not a walk in the park no matter what Bob thinks.  A 14 year old dog can't possibly pass it. 

No wonder people whine about the test with those kinds of comments and thought processes. 

 

gsdstudent: I am unable to see a connection with big breeders not being kennel blind as opposed to small breeders. Ever hear '' can not see the forest because of the trees''? Emotion, stupidity, and fiances cause kennel blindness

Honest big breeder have the luxury not to breed  dogs which are up to par and breed only quality dogs in his kennel. It is for a simple reason that he does not have to breed crap if he has quality dogs in his kennel.  Where small breeder has one or 2 dogs or other small numbers of dogs  and will  more likely tend to make excuses for breeding what ever they have for emotional reasons and financial reasons. 

For example z Pohanicni straze ( z Ps)  kennel which is legendary for what they achieved in 1980ties was dealing with thousands of dogs and  they put them through rigorous testing for during different ages. Sweden has similar program. And only the very few- miniscule amount-  from the total of hundreds of dogs tested every year, were then used in breeding.  The total impartiality was assured since being partial would not serve to any purpose.    The sole  purpose was to produce top working dogs on which human life can depend and there was no kennel blindness what so ever - no need,  no purpose for it. Where I am talking out all the time to people who have 1 or 2 dogs and want to  breeding their "excellent " dogs which they are not.  

 Another point is these z Ps dogs were not originally tiled at all, and  all they had was SP/PS evaluation. Sport titling was forced on z Ps program by the registry in name of fairness since according the rules if you want the dog to be registered you had it to be tiled. Titling however is a joke in comparison to what the z Ps dog had to pass in order to be bred. Thus to use sport tiles is not necessarily  of much use and as I say if it is forced on breeders as the only way to proof dogs for breeding, then  it is detriment. 

Prager Hans

 

 

When was the last shipment of untitled dogs sent FROM anywhere TO germany to improve the german lines?

Hans; I missed the word'' honest'' before when speaking of big breeders. Might be a few honest little breeders out there, maybe? 

I,m amazed at the stupidity that is shown here. Anyone who,s main reason for saying the IPO 1 is harder because there is off leash healling is clueless. I mention things that show a dogs working ability better Reed sticks,Vertical walls, Attack on the handler(done properly) and i,m countered with off leash healing!!!. These are the same clueless wonders who would make comments like "Breaking a dog" "or testing a 14 year old dog"  but when one feels off leash healing is a stressor then i guess i understand the mentality. The reason the dogs in the pedigree,s histories are good dogs is because of the things i mentioned above that they no longer see. If these things are abusive then yes IPO will be the death of any working traits we need for the breed I,ll buy anyone a case of there favorite beer if in no more then 2 years stick hits will be gone also. I,ll keep training my dogs the way I do no matter what any political driven organization puts in writing. The trial is the test. The test has been lowered. Weaker dogs get in the genetic pool so more money is collected. These are the gods truthful facts.

Maybe we should pay royalties to handlers who came before, When the test still meant something. All we can hope for as a breed is that in training the dogs are exposed to the stressors that help them prove there strength and vitality so good dogs can continue to be produced to what the standard once called for. So they will be strong,agile,couragous, and willing to work. My dogs can be worked by any one who would like as long as there qualified to do so.   This is my last post on this subject.      

Should look in the mirror regarding stupidity.

YOU commented about testing your 14 old dog.

Never said off leash heeling was the main reason but please by all means distort everything to distract from your own failings. If you can't tell that heeling off leash displays the character of a dog more than off leash I (and no one else ) can help your lack of sight or understanding.

In order for it to be a stressor it has to be physically painful on a dog.  That's your definition. 

and you NEVER explained how the new courage test of the helper running at the dog is a prey bite but the old days of the helper running away wasn't. (Remember, I mentioned this too?  along with a lot of other differences - oh right, easier to ignore that which you can't understand).

You scream about the old days ad infinitum with no clue what you talk about. 

Look in the mirror, start with that.